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in the 1930s president franklin delano

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roosevelt addressed the nation through a

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series of radio broadcasts known as the

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fireside chats

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his aim was to reassure the common man

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that our society would recover from its

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well we're far from 1930 and i deal with

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a different kind of fire

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for a new era of worldly frustration we

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a fresh conversation i'm greg carlwood

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and these are the higher side chats

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it's a beautiful day in the neighborhood

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people from sunny san diego i'm greg

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carlwood and it seems like since the

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start of this wild ride humanity has

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been interacting with something

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else of a higher intelligence just

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beyond the physical dimension

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call them spirits fairies gods or aliens

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but it's clear that something out there

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knows a lot more about reality's

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structure than we do

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are we on some human energy farm is

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there an ancient predator hunting us

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from the shadows of our liminal spaces

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might there be a group of beings trying

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to use crop circles and psychedelic

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encounters to nudge humanity into

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understanding that it's all

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consciousness man

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there are many thoughts and theories as

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to what this all is but in our modern

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slice of the human story

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the narrative shifts to recovered bodies

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crashed ships an invisible college of

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scientists and the privileged few who

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study what's been found or left

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just beyond the prying eyes of the

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well today's powerhouse guest grant

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cameron is one of the most knowledgeable

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researchers dedicated to the ufo space

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disclosure discourse the true nature of

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consciousness

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grant became involved in ufology in may

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with personal sightings of an object

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which locally became known

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as charlie red star the sightings

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occurred about 25 miles north of the

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border with hundreds of people seeing

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objects at the same time during a

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prolonged flap of sightings

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in past years grant turned his research

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to the involvement and actions of the

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presidents of the united states in the

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he's made 20 plus trips to the national

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archives and most of the various

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presidential archives looking for

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eventually he stopped trying to break

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the government and deep private cone of

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silence and felt that the ones who

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really know the phenomenon best are the

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experiencers

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which led him to focus on that curious

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interplay between this high strangeness

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he's written several great books along

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the way had his own radio show called

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the cameron files and produces a lot of

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content on his youtube channel

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links and info about him can all be

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found on his website

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beyondpresidentialufo.com

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and it is a real pleasure to have him

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here the legendary deep diver

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ufo question dissector and bright mind

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for our troubled times grant cameron my

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man welcome to the higher side

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well thanks greg your intro summed it

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all up there's nothing more to say

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i like it i like it and uh thanks for

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taking the time i am a big fan of the

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and i'm always impressed with your

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recall when it comes to the vast

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material you've studied and spoken about

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i think so many people who look into the

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ufo alien question start with that nuts

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and bolts stuff

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they realize it's weirder than that

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and consciousness needs to be better

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understood to truly unlock the ufo

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on how your understanding and research

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has evolved from where it started to

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where you are now decades later

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okay so it all starts for me back when

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a late teenager i'm interested in the

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work of edgar cayce

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i studied it went to the institute that

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was that university was kind of lost at

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university trying to figure out

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how in heaven's name are you going to

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make any money out of this nonsense you

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calculus and stuff i couldn't figure out

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why i was there and then in 1975

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had four major events in my life and the

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so you described in the intro there was

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a flap of sightings that occurred at a

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town called carmen manitoba and actually

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we were just back there

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last a couple days ago and that's the

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first time i've been back in

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well i've been back once in 40 years but

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there's a documentary film crew out

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and we used to drive around the city and

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do nothing just drive around and the

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stories of this sighting

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stuff started to happen in carmel

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manitoba and started it about february

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of 1975 and i said to my friend i said

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why don't we go out and see what they're

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go and we never went

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and then in may of 1975 what happened is

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the cky tv station here was a number of

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the cameraman as he was the object was

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as he's looking down the road this thing

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and the night before they had almost got

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it on film and he decided i've got to

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get something on film so the next time

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whatever the intelligence the ufo is it

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jumped up in the air and there was

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people actually very close to it on the

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they thought it had disappeared it

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actually dropped about five thousand

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of the film and so this thing went viral

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this thing it created this flash frame

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frame of film where the entire horizon

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and it went flying across the sky and it

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was flying in sort of a wave formation

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and stuff

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and the tv station nbc picked it up

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jalen heineck the major researcher came

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to try to get two copies of this film

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said it was the best

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nocturnal light film he'd ever seen with

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all these 14 people

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that were involved in this filming of it

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this one on the tv in in winnipeg where

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and then i said to my friend come on

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let's go see what they're looking at

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and i always describe it as you buy the

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lottery ticket you know there's a chance

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you can win but you're not going to win

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so we went out there and i figured you

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know everybody else can see stuff when

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we go out there nothing's going to

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happen so we went into town

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out of the town looked around and we're

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looking around at what's everybody

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and really couldn't you could see

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planets and whatever and i i just like i

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don't know what they're looking at

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and i think venus was setting at the

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time they looked kind of weird but i go

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that can't be what they're looking at so

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my friend says we'll go back into town

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one more time we drove out we're gonna

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go back into town one more time

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if we don't see anything let's go home i

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said yeah fantastic it's been a total

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waste of time

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so we're outside about a mile out of the

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city we turn go back

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west into this small town about 2 000

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and it appeared from the left to the

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nobody said is that what it is i wonder

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if that's where everybody just went

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there it is everybody just instantly

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knew this is what they were talking

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about it was just so bizarre

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it looked like it was alive it was

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pulsing it was red it was like a plasma

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type object

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and it was sort of bobbing up and down

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it was moving very very slow

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30 40 miles an hour and it flew right in

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front of the car

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down i don't know maybe it's hard to

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tell at night yeah you know how big it

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is or how far it is

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but it appeared maybe maybe half a mile

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down the road right in front of the car

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i remember getting out of the car as the

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car was still moving and i was going in

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behind a set of school buses that were

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parked outside the town

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and i wanted to get to the school buses

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because he was going to get in behind

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the school buses i wouldn't be able to

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see it anymore

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and i just watched it sort of pulse and

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fly off

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into nowhere just flew off into the

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northeast and i was just floored i

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grabbed all my friends i said man you

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got to come see this thing

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two nights later we were out there was

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28 people there was people all from all

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over the place out there trying to see

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this thing

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and that experience all my friends went

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home about 12 30 and said no no stay

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stay you got to see this this will

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change your life this is unbelievable i

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was just like

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you know i fell off the edge of the

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earth when i saw this thing and

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at 12 30 my friend said nam we're going

325
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home we're going back to winnipeg we're

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hungry we're going for pizza

327
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and off they went and there was about

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eight people left when this thing

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appeared the second time

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and this time it was a completely

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different object it was flashing in the

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sky

333
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some kids that saw it called the

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bouncing ping-pong ball it was bouncing

335
00:10:16,550 --> 00:10:14,880
around in the sky

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and as it got closer to us the flashes

337
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got closer together and then it

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reappeared as this object i'd seen the

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first night this red

340
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glowing plasma object was coming

341
00:10:25,990 --> 00:10:24,399
directly out of the second light very

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very low to the ground

343
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and i could see a sort of a green glow

344
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on the backside of this thing

345
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and it made this sort of turn and headed

346
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off again into the northeast

347
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and i remember standing there looking at

348
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it and saying wow that could be from

349
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another planet i would just be floored i

350
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was actually looking at this thing and

351
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thinking like where is this thing from

352
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and the car that was beside us i

353
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remember the guy had a

354
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this is when nikon had the motor drives

355
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on the cameras that came out

356
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and the thing was flashing jumping

357
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around the sky and the one girl couldn't

358
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see it she was freaking out i can't see

359
00:10:57,269 --> 00:10:55,519
it again she's crying away there's

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people yelling and swearing and jumping

361
00:11:02,710 --> 00:10:59,440
around as this thing's coming towards us

362
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and i could hear this motor driving

363
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and he's unloading the camera as this

364
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thing's coming at us and then they

365
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jumped in the car

366
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and off they went the gravel was flying

367
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and they started to chase it because you

368
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could actually catch up on this thing it

369
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was going so slow

370
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and so then i was totally floored and i

371
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said well why is nobody investigating

372
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this because there had been a lot of

373
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sightings and there had been the film

374
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and stuff

375
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so i started this pursuit try to talk to

376
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as many people in the town as i could

377
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and at one point i had hundreds of

378
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people on a list

379
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because everybody would squeal on

380
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everybody they'd say oh how do you know

381
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i saw something i said oh so-and-so told

382
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me you saw something and then they'd say

383
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well it was really nothing and then they

384
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tell you it was a flying saucer in the

385
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middle of the road or something

386
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some bizarre story and then they said i

387
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wasn't alone that saw it you know and

388
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they would send me off to three

389
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or four or five other people and i'd go

390
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to those people and this list started to

391
00:11:45,910 --> 00:11:43,839
build with all these people

392
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who were sort of writing each other out

393
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and i put it in a manuscript and i tried

394
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to get it published in toronto where all

395
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the big publishers are in canada

396
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and some people read it but nobody was

397
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really you know really not that

398
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interested

399
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and the local publisher here in winnipeg

400
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because this is a famous story

401
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she should have done it and i remember

402
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she changed my whole life she wrote me a

403
00:12:06,069 --> 00:12:02,720
letter and said

404
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cameron you may believe in this kind of

405
00:12:08,069 --> 00:12:06,639
stuff

406
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count me among the unbelievers and i'm

407
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like wow i i was just floored and i said

408
00:12:12,949 --> 00:12:12,000
okay that's it no more sightings this is

409
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total nonsense

410
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it's just a total waste of time and in

411
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the book i described it this is the kind

412
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of stories you tell your grandchildren

413
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when you're old and gray

414
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but it really doesn't change anybody's

415
00:12:24,470 --> 00:12:22,399
mind you have to actually see it

416
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so i gave up on the sighting stuff and i

417
00:12:27,829 --> 00:12:25,920
said you know i remember that thing

418
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flying off the second night and i said

419
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hmm i'm a young guy you know i really

420
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don't know that much i'm

421
00:12:35,030 --> 00:12:33,279
you know in the middle of a country

422
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which is not in a town that's not that

423
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significant

424
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and i said i don't know what's going on

425
00:12:42,150 --> 00:12:39,600
but there's got to be somebody to know

426
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what this is so i start this pursuit

427
00:12:44,069 --> 00:12:43,279
and i first go to the canadian

428
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government because there's a

429
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synchronistic event happens

430
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my father was a pilot for the canadian

431
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government and there was somebody at

432
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radar tech in his

433
00:12:53,190 --> 00:12:52,720
office who had seen a ufo in the carmen

434
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area

435
00:12:56,550 --> 00:12:55,120
and my father said oh this ernie up guy

436
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wants to talk to you so i go and talk to

437
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the guy

438
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and he tells me a story and it's just a

439
00:13:00,870 --> 00:13:00,079
lightness guy really nothing significant

440
00:13:01,750 --> 00:13:00,880
and then he says

441
00:13:03,670 --> 00:13:01,760
you know if you really want to know

442
00:13:04,870 --> 00:13:03,680
what's going on with ufos you should

443
00:13:06,150 --> 00:13:04,880
study what the canadian government was

444
00:13:07,670 --> 00:13:06,160
doing in the early 1950s

445
00:13:08,870 --> 00:13:07,680
and i went what do you mean he said i

446
00:13:09,910 --> 00:13:08,880
used to work for the program and i said

447
00:13:11,430 --> 00:13:09,920
you did

448
00:13:12,870 --> 00:13:11,440
and there was only about six people in

449
00:13:14,069 --> 00:13:12,880
this program and this one guy happened

450
00:13:15,430 --> 00:13:14,079
to be in my father's office the

451
00:13:17,590 --> 00:13:15,440
synchronicity

452
00:13:19,030 --> 00:13:17,600
so i chased off to ottawa and the guy

453
00:13:21,990 --> 00:13:19,040
who had run the program was wilbert

454
00:13:23,750 --> 00:13:22,000
brockhouse smith and he had famously

455
00:13:25,030 --> 00:13:23,760
written a top secret memo and i didn't

456
00:13:26,230 --> 00:13:25,040
discover this until after i started the

457
00:13:27,509 --> 00:13:26,240
investigation

458
00:13:29,030 --> 00:13:27,519
but that's where it sort of started the

459
00:13:31,590 --> 00:13:29,040
consciousness thing sort of started and

460
00:13:34,389 --> 00:13:31,600
i didn't realize it until 2012 but

461
00:13:36,230 --> 00:13:34,399
he wrote a top-secret memo and he was a

462
00:13:37,110 --> 00:13:36,240
the head radio guy for the canadian

463
00:13:39,430 --> 00:13:37,120
government

464
00:13:40,870 --> 00:13:39,440
and they were negotiating fm radio

465
00:13:41,829 --> 00:13:40,880
frequencies with the americans and he'd

466
00:13:43,829 --> 00:13:41,839
been down in

467
00:13:46,069 --> 00:13:43,839
washington for a lot of meetings and

468
00:13:47,350 --> 00:13:46,079
when he was in washington he said i i

469
00:13:48,150 --> 00:13:47,360
was interested to find out what's going

470
00:13:49,670 --> 00:13:48,160
on and so

471
00:13:50,870 --> 00:13:49,680
i realized if there's smoke there's got

472
00:13:51,670 --> 00:13:50,880
to be fire and he started asking

473
00:13:53,829 --> 00:13:51,680
questions

474
00:13:55,110 --> 00:13:53,839
and he said high-level officials told

475
00:13:56,230 --> 00:13:55,120
him what was going on and he writes his

476
00:13:57,990 --> 00:13:56,240
top secret memo

477
00:14:00,389 --> 00:13:58,000
and in the memo it says and this is

478
00:14:01,829 --> 00:14:00,399
november of 1950 flying saucers exist

479
00:14:03,350 --> 00:14:01,839
it's the most highly classified subject

480
00:14:05,030 --> 00:14:03,360
in the united states there's a small

481
00:14:06,150 --> 00:14:05,040
group headed by dr van dever bush who

482
00:14:07,110 --> 00:14:06,160
are trying to figure out the modus

483
00:14:08,949 --> 00:14:07,120
operandi of the

484
00:14:10,550 --> 00:14:08,959
objects and it's of tremendous

485
00:14:12,710 --> 00:14:10,560
significance to the americans

486
00:14:14,230 --> 00:14:12,720
and then in 2012 i had this download

487
00:14:15,670 --> 00:14:14,240
experience where the next line of the

488
00:14:17,509 --> 00:14:15,680
document pops into my head

489
00:14:19,350 --> 00:14:17,519
and he says we're also told by american

490
00:14:20,949 --> 00:14:19,360
officials that other things might be

491
00:14:22,790 --> 00:14:20,959
associated with the flying saucers

492
00:14:24,870 --> 00:14:22,800
such as mental phenomena and the

493
00:14:26,389 --> 00:14:24,880
significant part of that is in 1950

494
00:14:27,030 --> 00:14:26,399
nobody ever talked to an alien yet the

495
00:14:28,949 --> 00:14:27,040
first

496
00:14:30,949 --> 00:14:28,959
contacts direct face-to-face contacts

497
00:14:32,550 --> 00:14:30,959
with aliens wasn't until

498
00:14:34,150 --> 00:14:32,560
about a week after the detonation of the

499
00:14:36,470 --> 00:14:34,160
hydrogen bomb when

500
00:14:38,230 --> 00:14:36,480
adamski and williamson these two guys

501
00:14:39,350 --> 00:14:38,240
were in the desert in california

502
00:14:40,949 --> 00:14:39,360
and they claim they've got this

503
00:14:42,069 --> 00:14:40,959
encounter with this being and being says

504
00:14:43,430 --> 00:14:42,079
you know you got to stop the nuclear

505
00:14:46,470 --> 00:14:43,440
weapons and all this kind of stuff

506
00:14:47,350 --> 00:14:46,480
so in 1950 nobody was talking to aliens

507
00:14:49,590 --> 00:14:47,360
so the question

508
00:14:51,030 --> 00:14:49,600
came how did they know mental phenomena

509
00:14:53,189 --> 00:14:51,040
was involved i mean you know

510
00:14:55,030 --> 00:14:53,199
nobody's even talking about aliens and

511
00:14:55,829 --> 00:14:55,040
so i do that pursuit and i'm trying to

512
00:14:57,910 --> 00:14:55,839
find out

513
00:14:59,509 --> 00:14:57,920
in the united states who gave the

514
00:14:59,829 --> 00:14:59,519
canadians the information and it was

515
00:15:02,069 --> 00:14:59,839
this

516
00:15:03,670 --> 00:15:02,079
idea like i'm trying to find the highest

517
00:15:05,030 --> 00:15:03,680
level person that i can

518
00:15:06,310 --> 00:15:05,040
because the highest level person will

519
00:15:07,670 --> 00:15:06,320
know what's going on and i'm going to

520
00:15:08,550 --> 00:15:07,680
find out who that person is and then try

521
00:15:11,430 --> 00:15:08,560
to figure out

522
00:15:12,069 --> 00:15:11,440
what they know and so i we discovered

523
00:15:14,150 --> 00:15:12,079
there was a guy

524
00:15:15,350 --> 00:15:14,160
who was a an engineer working for the

525
00:15:16,870 --> 00:15:15,360
american military

526
00:15:18,230 --> 00:15:16,880
who had given a lot of that material to

527
00:15:20,230 --> 00:15:18,240
the canadians and he said there'd been a

528
00:15:21,990 --> 00:15:20,240
crash in the west of the united states

529
00:15:23,430 --> 00:15:22,000
and then they had a set of briefings at

530
00:15:25,189 --> 00:15:23,440
wright-patterson air force base and a

531
00:15:27,910 --> 00:15:25,199
bunch of scientists like

532
00:15:29,350 --> 00:15:27,920
von braun von neumann the guy with the

533
00:15:31,509 --> 00:15:29,360
computers

534
00:15:32,870 --> 00:15:31,519
bush all these high-level scientists of

535
00:15:34,310 --> 00:15:32,880
the time had been invited

536
00:15:35,829 --> 00:15:34,320
and he said i couldn't go i was busy

537
00:15:37,430 --> 00:15:35,839
working on the dew line he was running

538
00:15:38,629 --> 00:15:37,440
the engineering project for the dew line

539
00:15:40,949 --> 00:15:38,639
in canada where they were

540
00:15:42,550 --> 00:15:40,959
picking up russian you know launches of

541
00:15:45,590 --> 00:15:42,560
missiles and stuff like that

542
00:15:46,710 --> 00:15:45,600
and he was asked the question well

543
00:15:48,310 --> 00:15:46,720
you're naming all these people they're

544
00:15:50,230 --> 00:15:48,320
all dead is there anybody still might be

545
00:15:52,470 --> 00:15:50,240
alive this is 1983.

546
00:15:54,470 --> 00:15:52,480
and he said well there's this one guy he

547
00:15:56,389 --> 00:15:54,480
was real arrogant guy he was he had a

548
00:15:57,829 --> 00:15:56,399
business like me he was in pennsylvania

549
00:15:59,990 --> 00:15:57,839
he was at a university

550
00:16:01,509 --> 00:16:00,000
and that got tracked down to be dr eric

551
00:16:03,670 --> 00:16:01,519
walker who was the former president

552
00:16:05,509 --> 00:16:03,680
of penn state university he had 14

553
00:16:06,870 --> 00:16:05,519
honorary doctorate degrees co-developer

554
00:16:08,069 --> 00:16:06,880
the homing torpedo

555
00:16:09,749 --> 00:16:08,079
chairman of the board of the institute

556
00:16:11,110 --> 00:16:09,759
for defense analysis the top military

557
00:16:12,629 --> 00:16:11,120
think tank in the united states

558
00:16:14,150 --> 00:16:12,639
so then i spent eight years chasing this

559
00:16:15,670 --> 00:16:14,160
guy and i didn't really talk to him i

560
00:16:17,030 --> 00:16:15,680
was sort of ran a team of people and

561
00:16:18,310 --> 00:16:17,040
they said i can get this guy to talk

562
00:16:19,829 --> 00:16:18,320
so i'd give the guy the phone numbers

563
00:16:21,189 --> 00:16:19,839
and all this kind of stuff and we had

564
00:16:22,150 --> 00:16:21,199
this discussion with this guy that

565
00:16:24,949 --> 00:16:22,160
lasted

566
00:16:26,150 --> 00:16:24,959
i guess about seven years before he died

567
00:16:27,350 --> 00:16:26,160
and

568
00:16:29,189 --> 00:16:27,360
when he was confronted with the whole

569
00:16:29,910 --> 00:16:29,199
thing he said yeah i was at the briefing

570
00:16:31,430 --> 00:16:29,920
so what

571
00:16:32,790 --> 00:16:31,440
and the guy went what do you mean this

572
00:16:34,550 --> 00:16:32,800
is extraterrestrials this is the most

573
00:16:36,230 --> 00:16:34,560
important story and he said

574
00:16:38,310 --> 00:16:36,240
don't get so excited you're up against

575
00:16:39,829 --> 00:16:38,320
the windmills leave it alone

576
00:16:41,910 --> 00:16:39,839
there's nothing you can do about it

577
00:16:43,590 --> 00:16:41,920
unless you have the mind of einstein

578
00:16:45,110 --> 00:16:43,600
you're not going to get anywhere and so

579
00:16:46,629 --> 00:16:45,120
we realized that this guy was talking in

580
00:16:47,269 --> 00:16:46,639
rhymes and riddles but he was sort of

581
00:16:48,790 --> 00:16:47,279
telling us

582
00:16:50,470 --> 00:16:48,800
that this was for real and then i was

583
00:16:53,749 --> 00:16:50,480
really sort of interested

584
00:16:55,590 --> 00:16:53,759
and later on part of the 2012 download

585
00:16:57,110 --> 00:16:55,600
was one of those expressions that dr

586
00:16:59,030 --> 00:16:57,120
eric walker had given to

587
00:17:00,790 --> 00:16:59,040
somebody in one of the interviews a guy

588
00:17:03,430 --> 00:17:00,800
from great britain was interviewing him

589
00:17:04,470 --> 00:17:03,440
and he said let me ask a question what

590
00:17:05,829 --> 00:17:04,480
do you know about esp

591
00:17:07,510 --> 00:17:05,839
the guy was asking the question like

592
00:17:09,189 --> 00:17:07,520
who's running the thing is there 12 guys

593
00:17:10,630 --> 00:17:09,199
is it an international group who's

594
00:17:11,669 --> 00:17:10,640
actually in control of this subject he

595
00:17:12,949 --> 00:17:11,679
said let me ask you a question we know

596
00:17:14,630 --> 00:17:12,959
about esp

597
00:17:16,470 --> 00:17:14,640
and the guy said well i really don't

598
00:17:17,350 --> 00:17:16,480
know he said look unless you understand

599
00:17:19,270 --> 00:17:17,360
about esp

600
00:17:20,949 --> 00:17:19,280
and how it works you will not be taken

601
00:17:22,390 --> 00:17:20,959
into the program very few people

602
00:17:23,590 --> 00:17:22,400
understand how it works

603
00:17:25,189 --> 00:17:23,600
and that was the second of this

604
00:17:26,949 --> 00:17:25,199
consciousness thing this that sort of

605
00:17:28,710 --> 00:17:26,959
twisted me in 2012

606
00:17:30,950 --> 00:17:28,720
where i just basically gave up on ufos

607
00:17:32,789 --> 00:17:30,960
and said no it's a consciousness problem

608
00:17:34,630 --> 00:17:32,799
and the third one i had three things

609
00:17:36,070 --> 00:17:34,640
that happened in 2012 first was the line

610
00:17:38,390 --> 00:17:36,080
from the canadian government document

611
00:17:40,470 --> 00:17:38,400
second was dr eric walker asking us

612
00:17:42,710 --> 00:17:40,480
about esp being the main thing

613
00:17:44,230 --> 00:17:42,720
and the third was a conversation that

614
00:17:45,830 --> 00:17:44,240
took place with

615
00:17:47,110 --> 00:17:45,840
ben rich who used to run lockheed skunk

616
00:17:48,870 --> 00:17:47,120
works and it's always been rumored that

617
00:17:50,230 --> 00:17:48,880
any back engineering stuff is being done

618
00:17:52,310 --> 00:17:50,240
by lockheed skunk works

619
00:17:54,549 --> 00:17:52,320
so ben rich run the program and he made

620
00:17:55,909 --> 00:17:54,559
a comment in one lecture at ucla

621
00:17:57,350 --> 00:17:55,919
where he said we've now discovered the

622
00:17:59,350 --> 00:17:57,360
technology to take et home we've

623
00:18:01,510 --> 00:17:59,360
discovered the mistake in the equation

624
00:18:02,870 --> 00:18:01,520
and one engineer in the room was big

625
00:18:04,150 --> 00:18:02,880
into ufos

626
00:18:05,750 --> 00:18:04,160
confronted him as he was leaving the

627
00:18:06,390 --> 00:18:05,760
building and said you're talking about

628
00:18:07,830 --> 00:18:06,400
this

629
00:18:09,190 --> 00:18:07,840
i need to know i'm interested in

630
00:18:10,150 --> 00:18:09,200
propulsion how does this thing get here

631
00:18:11,750 --> 00:18:10,160
how does it work

632
00:18:13,350 --> 00:18:11,760
and he turned around he said exactly

633
00:18:14,950 --> 00:18:13,360
what walker had said two years before he

634
00:18:17,830 --> 00:18:14,960
said let me ask you a question

635
00:18:19,190 --> 00:18:17,840
who knew about esp and the guy said uh

636
00:18:20,150 --> 00:18:19,200
well it means all things in time and

637
00:18:21,510 --> 00:18:20,160
space are connected

638
00:18:23,270 --> 00:18:21,520
and he said that's how it works and

639
00:18:26,549 --> 00:18:23,280
walked out of the building and

640
00:18:28,630 --> 00:18:26,559
so that became my move away in 2012 i

641
00:18:31,350 --> 00:18:28,640
chased the presidents there was no real

642
00:18:33,990 --> 00:18:31,360
documents in the presidential libraries

643
00:18:35,750 --> 00:18:34,000
it was clear that even in 1948

644
00:18:36,070 --> 00:18:35,760
eisenhower had gotten briefings on ufos

645
00:18:37,750 --> 00:18:36,080
but

646
00:18:40,310 --> 00:18:37,760
they're all done orally so there was

647
00:18:42,230 --> 00:18:40,320
really no paper trail to follow

648
00:18:43,510 --> 00:18:42,240
and you assume that the president must

649
00:18:45,110 --> 00:18:43,520
know what's going on but

650
00:18:47,110 --> 00:18:45,120
it appeared that they didn't have the

651
00:18:50,070 --> 00:18:47,120
full answer and so

652
00:18:51,270 --> 00:18:50,080
in 2012 i'm watching colin andrews who

653
00:18:53,830 --> 00:18:51,280
invented the crop circle

654
00:18:55,510 --> 00:18:53,840
phenomena in great britain and you know

655
00:18:57,750 --> 00:18:55,520
came up with the term crop circles

656
00:18:59,029 --> 00:18:57,760
he's giving a lecture at a big

657
00:19:02,070 --> 00:18:59,039
conference in

658
00:19:04,710 --> 00:19:02,080
phoenix which was the world ufo congress

659
00:19:05,990 --> 00:19:04,720
and it's one of these congresses where

660
00:19:07,430 --> 00:19:06,000
it goes from 8 o'clock in the morning to

661
00:19:08,549 --> 00:19:07,440
11 o'clock at night you don't go to all

662
00:19:09,990 --> 00:19:08,559
the lectures you just sort of pick and

663
00:19:11,029 --> 00:19:10,000
choose which lectures

664
00:19:12,870 --> 00:19:11,039
and when you're going to eat lunch and

665
00:19:14,310 --> 00:19:12,880
stuff so colin anders was giving this

666
00:19:15,750 --> 00:19:14,320
lecture and i wasn't interested in crop

667
00:19:18,230 --> 00:19:15,760
circles i had no

668
00:19:19,669 --> 00:19:18,240
sort of knack for what was going on but

669
00:19:20,950 --> 00:19:19,679
i realized he was a major researcher and

670
00:19:22,310 --> 00:19:20,960
well i'll pay him the respect i'll go

671
00:19:22,870 --> 00:19:22,320
watch his lecture or see what he's got

672
00:19:24,150 --> 00:19:22,880
to say

673
00:19:26,630 --> 00:19:24,160
and he was talking about consciousness

674
00:19:29,430 --> 00:19:26,640
in crop circles and his contention was

675
00:19:30,789 --> 00:19:29,440
that 20 of these crop circles were being

676
00:19:31,510 --> 00:19:30,799
made by the intelligence behind the

677
00:19:33,110 --> 00:19:31,520
phenomena

678
00:19:34,789 --> 00:19:33,120
and the other 80 were also being done

679
00:19:36,390 --> 00:19:34,799
they were getting the hoaxers

680
00:19:37,750 --> 00:19:36,400
and putting ideas in their head to put

681
00:19:38,549 --> 00:19:37,760
this stuff down he had all these

682
00:19:39,990 --> 00:19:38,559
examples of

683
00:19:41,510 --> 00:19:40,000
people who had hoax crop circles and

684
00:19:42,870 --> 00:19:41,520
would talk about sitting in their living

685
00:19:43,750 --> 00:19:42,880
room and suddenly getting an idea to put

686
00:19:45,190 --> 00:19:43,760
this crop circle

687
00:19:47,430 --> 00:19:45,200
and they'd go into the field and make a

688
00:19:49,110 --> 00:19:47,440
crop circle the exact crop circle that a

689
00:19:51,190 --> 00:19:49,120
bunch of women were in the same field

690
00:19:52,870 --> 00:19:51,200
meditating that exact pattern

691
00:19:54,470 --> 00:19:52,880
so when he was giving this lecture

692
00:19:55,990 --> 00:19:54,480
suddenly it was

693
00:19:58,230 --> 00:19:56,000
i wrote a book just recently called

694
00:19:59,830 --> 00:19:58,240
contact modalities where i look at 70

695
00:20:01,190 --> 00:19:59,840
different modalities how do you get into

696
00:20:03,270 --> 00:20:01,200
the non-local field and

697
00:20:05,190 --> 00:20:03,280
you can use hypnosis and meditation and

698
00:20:07,350 --> 00:20:05,200
psychedelics and there's all these ways

699
00:20:09,190 --> 00:20:07,360
to get out of the conscious ego mind and

700
00:20:11,430 --> 00:20:09,200
bypass that and get in the field

701
00:20:13,029 --> 00:20:11,440
and the method i've used all these years

702
00:20:14,549 --> 00:20:13,039
is sort of daydreaming

703
00:20:16,149 --> 00:20:14,559
so i'm in the lecture i really don't

704
00:20:18,390 --> 00:20:16,159
want to be there i'm thinking about well

705
00:20:20,070 --> 00:20:18,400
let's go across the river to the library

706
00:20:22,149 --> 00:20:20,080
maybe i'll go for lunch and i didn't

707
00:20:23,510 --> 00:20:22,159
want to be there and i sort of zoned out

708
00:20:25,270 --> 00:20:23,520
and that's when it happened it happened

709
00:20:26,070 --> 00:20:25,280
instantaneously and i described this to

710
00:20:29,110 --> 00:20:26,080
people

711
00:20:29,990 --> 00:20:29,120
download experiences and i wrote a whole

712
00:20:31,430 --> 00:20:30,000
book on

713
00:20:33,190 --> 00:20:31,440
you know where major inventions and

714
00:20:34,950 --> 00:20:33,200
nobel prizes come from a lot of them

715
00:20:36,310 --> 00:20:34,960
come through this sort of a download or

716
00:20:37,750 --> 00:20:36,320
a noetic experience

717
00:20:39,430 --> 00:20:37,760
so i'm sitting there and it came

718
00:20:41,350 --> 00:20:39,440
instantaneously it was like a bang

719
00:20:42,549 --> 00:20:41,360
it was in my head and it was like oh

720
00:20:44,470 --> 00:20:42,559
that's how it works

721
00:20:45,750 --> 00:20:44,480
and i describe people who haven't had

722
00:20:47,350 --> 00:20:45,760
the download experience the hardest

723
00:20:50,549 --> 00:20:47,360
thing to explain to people

724
00:20:52,549 --> 00:20:50,559
is the fact that when it happens

725
00:20:53,590 --> 00:20:52,559
you're being shown reality it's not like

726
00:20:55,909 --> 00:20:53,600
oh this is a good idea

727
00:20:57,669 --> 00:20:55,919
it's like oh this is for real this is

728
00:20:58,870 --> 00:20:57,679
more real than the real world this is

729
00:21:00,870 --> 00:20:58,880
you don't have to check this you don't

730
00:21:01,590 --> 00:21:00,880
have to do anything this is how it works

731
00:21:03,750 --> 00:21:01,600
so i had this

732
00:21:05,669 --> 00:21:03,760
absolute certainty that this works and

733
00:21:06,789 --> 00:21:05,679
that changed my whole career then i

734
00:21:09,430 --> 00:21:06,799
started to move

735
00:21:10,950 --> 00:21:09,440
towards this whole idea of the

736
00:21:11,590 --> 00:21:10,960
consciousness being part of this whole

737
00:21:14,549 --> 00:21:11,600
thing

738
00:21:16,710 --> 00:21:14,559
and in 2013 i was actually giving my

739
00:21:19,350 --> 00:21:16,720
first consciousness lecture in phoenix

740
00:21:21,270 --> 00:21:19,360
and at the end of the lecture the woman

741
00:21:22,230 --> 00:21:21,280
who runs the big phoenix ufo group said

742
00:21:24,310 --> 00:21:22,240
to me

743
00:21:26,149 --> 00:21:24,320
are you still going to talk to pam and i

744
00:21:27,430 --> 00:21:26,159
said yeah i guess so i thought well i

745
00:21:28,470 --> 00:21:27,440
must have agreed to talk to this one or

746
00:21:29,590 --> 00:21:28,480
whatever so that's good she's coming to

747
00:21:31,190 --> 00:21:29,600
my house on monday

748
00:21:32,870 --> 00:21:31,200
but she wants to talk to you so i don't

749
00:21:34,070 --> 00:21:32,880
know what this is about and so this pam

750
00:21:36,149 --> 00:21:34,080
she's in her 70s

751
00:21:37,669 --> 00:21:36,159
comes to the house with her partner and

752
00:21:39,270 --> 00:21:37,679
she says what did stacy tell you about

753
00:21:40,230 --> 00:21:39,280
me i said i don't know i'm just supposed

754
00:21:42,070 --> 00:21:40,240
to talk to you so

755
00:21:43,430 --> 00:21:42,080
that's good she sits down she starts

756
00:21:45,590 --> 00:21:43,440
this whole thing

757
00:21:46,870 --> 00:21:45,600
i've been abducted i was in the field

758
00:21:48,070 --> 00:21:46,880
the ufos were there and i was in my

759
00:21:48,870 --> 00:21:48,080
diaper and she's going through this

760
00:21:50,230 --> 00:21:48,880
whole thing and it's

761
00:21:52,230 --> 00:21:50,240
all these weird stories that you hear

762
00:21:53,909 --> 00:21:52,240
all the time from experiencers

763
00:21:55,350 --> 00:21:53,919
and she went on and then suddenly she

764
00:21:57,270 --> 00:21:55,360
drops the bomb she says

765
00:21:59,190 --> 00:21:57,280
oh and i was flying the craft last night

766
00:22:00,549 --> 00:21:59,200
and went what

767
00:22:02,630 --> 00:22:00,559
did you say yeah i was flying the crap i

768
00:22:04,310 --> 00:22:02,640
said you were flying the flying saucer

769
00:22:05,669 --> 00:22:04,320
and she said yeah and i was ready to say

770
00:22:06,870 --> 00:22:05,679
you are absolutely nuts i mean i've

771
00:22:07,909 --> 00:22:06,880
heard a lot of weird stories this is the

772
00:22:09,750 --> 00:22:07,919
craziest thing i've ever heard

773
00:22:11,430 --> 00:22:09,760
and so i said to her i said they let you

774
00:22:13,270 --> 00:22:11,440
flood the flying saucer and she said

775
00:22:14,870 --> 00:22:13,280
yeah i've flown three different models

776
00:22:15,510 --> 00:22:14,880
and i said well how do you fly a flying

777
00:22:17,430 --> 00:22:15,520
saucer

778
00:22:18,710 --> 00:22:17,440
and she said oh you do it with your mind

779
00:22:20,549 --> 00:22:18,720
and that was

780
00:22:22,310 --> 00:22:20,559
a real key to me because i started

781
00:22:24,310 --> 00:22:22,320
chasing experiencers

782
00:22:25,669 --> 00:22:24,320
and i've got 50 people who have flown

783
00:22:26,950 --> 00:22:25,679
the flying saucer who have claimed and

784
00:22:28,230 --> 00:22:26,960
i'll cut them off i'll say stop

785
00:22:29,590 --> 00:22:28,240
i want to interview you i want you to

786
00:22:30,230 --> 00:22:29,600
start from the beginning go to the end

787
00:22:32,870 --> 00:22:30,240
tell me

788
00:22:33,510 --> 00:22:32,880
i've got u.s air force retired colonel

789
00:22:36,230 --> 00:22:33,520
out of

790
00:22:37,909 --> 00:22:36,240
los angeles san francisco i've got a 747

791
00:22:38,549 --> 00:22:37,919
united airlines pilot all these people

792
00:22:40,390 --> 00:22:38,559
and

793
00:22:41,990 --> 00:22:40,400
nobody says anything different they say

794
00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:42,000
oh it was just a dream i said everybody

795
00:22:45,270 --> 00:22:43,600
thinks it's a dream tell me your dream

796
00:22:47,110 --> 00:22:45,280
and they'll tell the story about they go

797
00:22:48,310 --> 00:22:47,120
into the craft and there's somebody

798
00:22:49,590 --> 00:22:48,320
behind them they don't know whether it's

799
00:22:51,669 --> 00:22:49,600
humans or whether it's

800
00:22:53,029 --> 00:22:51,679
aliens and they're standing in the craft

801
00:22:58,630 --> 00:22:53,039
and

802
00:23:00,310 --> 00:22:58,640
air force colonel said

803
00:23:01,909 --> 00:23:00,320
i said i don't know what to do and they

804
00:23:03,350 --> 00:23:01,919
said you know what to do just do it

805
00:23:05,350 --> 00:23:03,360
and he went and there was a panel there

806
00:23:06,789 --> 00:23:05,360
and he put his hands on this panel

807
00:23:08,390 --> 00:23:06,799
and he said suddenly he was flying the

808
00:23:09,510 --> 00:23:08,400
craft and whatever he thought is what

809
00:23:11,590 --> 00:23:09,520
the craft did

810
00:23:12,630 --> 00:23:11,600
and he described this he took one hand

811
00:23:13,830 --> 00:23:12,640
off the panel

812
00:23:15,990 --> 00:23:13,840
and he was waiting for this thing to

813
00:23:17,270 --> 00:23:16,000
stall and then nothing happened he took

814
00:23:18,950 --> 00:23:17,280
his other hand but he left it about a

815
00:23:21,750 --> 00:23:18,960
couple inches off the panel

816
00:23:22,549 --> 00:23:21,760
and he was still flying the craft so the

817
00:23:23,990 --> 00:23:22,559
50 people

818
00:23:25,029 --> 00:23:24,000
everybody has said exactly the same

819
00:23:25,590 --> 00:23:25,039
thing it's like they're reading off a

820
00:23:28,390 --> 00:23:25,600
script

821
00:23:30,070 --> 00:23:28,400
you go in there they tell you to do this

822
00:23:31,190 --> 00:23:30,080
you either put your hand on a panel or

823
00:23:33,029 --> 00:23:31,200
you put it on a

824
00:23:35,190 --> 00:23:33,039
something on a wall sort of a plaque on

825
00:23:37,750 --> 00:23:35,200
the wall or you put it on a ball

826
00:23:39,029 --> 00:23:37,760
and you become one with the craft the

827
00:23:41,029 --> 00:23:39,039
craft is alive

828
00:23:42,710 --> 00:23:41,039
and you become one and whatever you

829
00:23:44,149 --> 00:23:42,720
think is what the craft does and you you

830
00:23:44,950 --> 00:23:44,159
can get bizarre stories where the one

831
00:23:46,149 --> 00:23:44,960
guy says

832
00:23:48,549 --> 00:23:46,159
they asked him where would you like to

833
00:23:49,590 --> 00:23:48,559
go and he said i'd like to see the milky

834
00:23:52,710 --> 00:23:49,600
way from a distance

835
00:23:53,110 --> 00:23:52,720
and he said within one second sort of

836
00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:53,120
the

837
00:23:59,350 --> 00:23:57,120
transparent on one side

838
00:24:01,350 --> 00:23:59,360
and one second he said i'm outside the

839
00:24:02,950 --> 00:24:01,360
milky way looking back at the milky way

840
00:24:05,110 --> 00:24:02,960
so that's when i really started to

841
00:24:08,549 --> 00:24:05,120
realize that this was

842
00:24:10,789 --> 00:24:08,559
where i had to go and then in 2017

843
00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:10,799
i had another download experience again

844
00:24:13,909 --> 00:24:12,480
i'm walking so i do a lot of walking i

845
00:24:15,430 --> 00:24:13,919
walk at least 10 miles a day and i

846
00:24:17,269 --> 00:24:15,440
listen to podcasts and stuff

847
00:24:19,110 --> 00:24:17,279
so i'm walking downtown it's a six mile

848
00:24:20,950 --> 00:24:19,120
walk and i'm about

849
00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:20,960
two miles into it and all of a sudden it

850
00:24:23,269 --> 00:24:22,320
comes and for anybody's had these

851
00:24:24,870 --> 00:24:23,279
download experiences

852
00:24:26,630 --> 00:24:24,880
you know pick up the pen start writing

853
00:24:28,390 --> 00:24:26,640
this is it this is real material

854
00:24:29,990 --> 00:24:28,400
and so it's very cold out i take my

855
00:24:30,630 --> 00:24:30,000
glove off i got this piece of paper and

856
00:24:32,230 --> 00:24:30,640
i'm writing

857
00:24:34,470 --> 00:24:32,240
and this stuff is coming into my head

858
00:24:37,350 --> 00:24:34,480
one two three this stuff is coming in

859
00:24:38,789 --> 00:24:37,360
and what it is is is it this or is it

860
00:24:40,390 --> 00:24:38,799
that so in your introduction you talked

861
00:24:42,630 --> 00:24:40,400
about this consciousness thing so

862
00:24:44,149 --> 00:24:42,640
it says to me is the world made out of

863
00:24:46,470 --> 00:24:44,159
little nuts and bolts

864
00:24:47,669 --> 00:24:46,480
if it is well then that's one world and

865
00:24:50,789 --> 00:24:47,679
consciousness will

866
00:24:52,549 --> 00:24:50,799
emerge from nuts and bolts but if the

867
00:24:54,870 --> 00:24:52,559
world's made out of consciousness

868
00:24:56,789 --> 00:24:54,880
then it's a whole different world then

869
00:24:58,710 --> 00:24:56,799
matter comes out of consciousness

870
00:25:00,710 --> 00:24:58,720
is the world random if it's random then

871
00:25:02,789 --> 00:25:00,720
that's one world but if it's a pattern

872
00:25:03,750 --> 00:25:02,799
then that's a completely different world

873
00:25:05,430 --> 00:25:03,760
is there one life

874
00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:05,440
if there's one life that's one world

875
00:25:08,310 --> 00:25:06,720
with certain rules but if there's

876
00:25:09,909 --> 00:25:08,320
multiple lives then and it was like you

877
00:25:10,950 --> 00:25:09,919
think it's this it's actually this is

878
00:25:13,190 --> 00:25:10,960
actually the opposite

879
00:25:14,230 --> 00:25:13,200
and i had about 16 or 17 things came

880
00:25:15,830 --> 00:25:14,240
into my head

881
00:25:17,430 --> 00:25:15,840
and then the feeling went away i put the

882
00:25:19,269 --> 00:25:17,440
pen away put the paper away started

883
00:25:21,990 --> 00:25:19,279
walking again and started again

884
00:25:23,110 --> 00:25:22,000
and i ended up with 24 different things

885
00:25:25,029 --> 00:25:23,120
and it was these

886
00:25:26,310 --> 00:25:25,039
sort of like what is reality so that has

887
00:25:28,549 --> 00:25:26,320
been my chase

888
00:25:30,710 --> 00:25:28,559
say in the last 10 years is to look at

889
00:25:32,470 --> 00:25:30,720
everything in terms of

890
00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:32,480
how does this fit into reality how does

891
00:25:34,870 --> 00:25:34,480
reality actually works and it's the idea

892
00:25:36,390 --> 00:25:34,880
that

893
00:25:37,990 --> 00:25:36,400
whether you go to sunday school or

894
00:25:39,990 --> 00:25:38,000
whether you go to science sunday school

895
00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:40,000
we've got a lot of garbage in our head

896
00:25:42,310 --> 00:25:41,520
that we just believe because someone

897
00:25:45,029 --> 00:25:42,320
told us

898
00:25:46,630 --> 00:25:45,039
and we built sort of a world view and

899
00:25:48,549 --> 00:25:46,640
i'm very much into the right brain left

900
00:25:50,310 --> 00:25:48,559
brain thing that the left brain

901
00:25:51,750 --> 00:25:50,320
will build this world view and once it

902
00:25:53,909 --> 00:25:51,760
builds that world view

903
00:25:54,789 --> 00:25:53,919
it will not change and until you have

904
00:25:57,269 --> 00:25:54,799
one of these

905
00:25:57,909 --> 00:25:57,279
experiences where you have an experience

906
00:25:59,990 --> 00:25:57,919
so it's

907
00:26:01,590 --> 00:26:00,000
the thing whether it's knowledge or

908
00:26:02,390 --> 00:26:01,600
whether it's belief and most people

909
00:26:04,149 --> 00:26:02,400
think it's

910
00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:04,159
knowledge and it's actually belief and

911
00:26:06,789 --> 00:26:05,520
only through the experience do you

912
00:26:07,510 --> 00:26:06,799
actually get the knowledge like you do

913
00:26:09,029 --> 00:26:07,520
throughout

914
00:26:10,870 --> 00:26:09,039
one of these download experiences so

915
00:26:13,669 --> 00:26:10,880
that's sort of how it happened

916
00:26:15,830 --> 00:26:13,679
and so i've gotten into a lot with

917
00:26:17,110 --> 00:26:15,840
contact modalities i wrote

918
00:26:19,510 --> 00:26:17,120
because i had the modality of this

919
00:26:21,029 --> 00:26:19,520
download type thing so i i looked at 70

920
00:26:22,149 --> 00:26:21,039
different modalities

921
00:26:23,590 --> 00:26:22,159
so you get all these different things

922
00:26:24,310 --> 00:26:23,600
and everybody sort of builds a religion

923
00:26:25,990 --> 00:26:24,320
out of theirs

924
00:26:27,669 --> 00:26:26,000
somebody will say oh hypnosis is the way

925
00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:27,679
to go and they they spend all their time

926
00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:29,520
on hypnosis and this is the way to go

927
00:26:33,110 --> 00:26:31,600
some people do psychedelics and i looked

928
00:26:34,870 --> 00:26:33,120
at all the modalities and i basically

929
00:26:35,430 --> 00:26:34,880
came to conclusion it's all the same

930
00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:35,440
thing

931
00:26:39,510 --> 00:26:38,480
consciousness is primary it's all goes

932
00:26:41,350 --> 00:26:39,520
back to consciousness

933
00:26:43,269 --> 00:26:41,360
and all these different modalities to

934
00:26:45,909 --> 00:26:43,279
get into the non-local field

935
00:26:48,310 --> 00:26:45,919
are just different paths to the same end

936
00:26:50,870 --> 00:26:48,320
result

937
00:26:53,350 --> 00:26:50,880
i'm with you there and that is a great

938
00:26:55,990 --> 00:26:53,360
summary of a long long journey

939
00:26:57,590 --> 00:26:56,000
and the mind aspect is what i wanted to

940
00:26:59,029 --> 00:26:57,600
focus on i have this great quote of

941
00:27:02,870 --> 00:26:59,039
yours where you say

942
00:27:05,669 --> 00:27:02,880
it's most significant that in 1947

943
00:27:07,110 --> 00:27:05,679
on day one when this thing starts they

944
00:27:09,269 --> 00:27:07,120
realize there's a mental

945
00:27:11,350 --> 00:27:09,279
aspect and realize that we would learn

946
00:27:12,470 --> 00:27:11,360
later that's how you fly the craft you

947
00:27:14,230 --> 00:27:12,480
use your mind

948
00:27:16,390 --> 00:27:14,240
and this is one of the most provocative

949
00:27:17,909 --> 00:27:16,400
areas to me that we have the big crash

950
00:27:20,070 --> 00:27:17,919
in 1947

951
00:27:21,510 --> 00:27:20,080
we have project paperclip going on

952
00:27:25,029 --> 00:27:21,520
between 1945

953
00:27:26,310 --> 00:27:25,039
and 1959 and we have the mk ultra

954
00:27:28,230 --> 00:27:26,320
project starting

955
00:27:29,669 --> 00:27:28,240
right there in the early 50s and it's

956
00:27:31,909 --> 00:27:29,679
such curious timing

957
00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:31,919
i'm sure there are a lot of reasons for

958
00:27:34,950 --> 00:27:33,600
what they did with mk ultra and

959
00:27:38,149 --> 00:27:34,960
artichoke and all that

960
00:27:40,389 --> 00:27:38,159
but do you think this ufo tech or

961
00:27:42,070 --> 00:27:40,399
the ufo alien question is at least

962
00:27:45,830 --> 00:27:42,080
partly what drove the

963
00:27:48,070 --> 00:27:45,840
mk ultra mind cracking research

964
00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:48,080
it may have been but i think the group

965
00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:50,640
is very limited in terms of

966
00:27:53,669 --> 00:27:52,320
how many people actually know the

967
00:27:54,950 --> 00:27:53,679
consciousness connection like you'll get

968
00:27:57,269 --> 00:27:54,960
tom delong who's the

969
00:27:58,470 --> 00:27:57,279
to the stars academy where he goes to

970
00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:58,480
lockheed he's allowed to go into a

971
00:28:02,630 --> 00:28:00,480
lockheed skiff and he's talking and the

972
00:28:04,870 --> 00:28:02,640
head scientist at lockheed says to him

973
00:28:05,990 --> 00:28:04,880
so how do you think this works that's

974
00:28:06,389 --> 00:28:06,000
all i want to know how does this work

975
00:28:10,070 --> 00:28:06,399
and he

976
00:28:10,789 --> 00:28:10,080
associated with dr stephen greer in his

977
00:28:12,549 --> 00:28:10,799
early days

978
00:28:14,310 --> 00:28:12,559
tom delong and he said i think

979
00:28:15,269 --> 00:28:14,320
consciousness is involved and then the

980
00:28:16,870 --> 00:28:15,279
head scientist said

981
00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:16,880
now you're talking and he said that's

982
00:28:19,669 --> 00:28:18,240
all this head scientists wanted to talk

983
00:28:22,470 --> 00:28:19,679
about for 45 minutes

984
00:28:24,470 --> 00:28:22,480
because in 1947 the story sort of

985
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:24,480
changed as we went through the years as

986
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:25,679
we got more witnesses

987
00:28:29,350 --> 00:28:27,840
that everybody sort of had the idea that

988
00:28:30,230 --> 00:28:29,360
the thing had crashed and there was four

989
00:28:31,909 --> 00:28:30,240
dead aliens

990
00:28:33,510 --> 00:28:31,919
and then later on it became known that

991
00:28:35,269 --> 00:28:33,520
it was probably more probable

992
00:28:37,029 --> 00:28:35,279
that there was three dead aliens and one

993
00:28:39,269 --> 00:28:37,039
live alien and that's what the answer to

994
00:28:41,590 --> 00:28:39,279
that 1950 question was well how did the

995
00:28:43,190 --> 00:28:41,600
americans know to tell the canadians

996
00:28:44,950 --> 00:28:43,200
that there was mental phenomena involved

997
00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:44,960
because nobody was talking to aliens

998
00:28:48,789 --> 00:28:47,039
and the idea would be that they had a

999
00:28:50,389 --> 00:28:48,799
live alien and all the reports from the

1000
00:28:51,269 --> 00:28:50,399
live alien was that he was talking in

1001
00:28:52,630 --> 00:28:51,279
people's heads

1002
00:28:54,230 --> 00:28:52,640
so they knew this sort of thing they

1003
00:28:55,669 --> 00:28:54,240
knew consciousness was something that

1004
00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:55,679
they had to crack but i think

1005
00:28:59,669 --> 00:28:57,360
what they were looking at was not so

1006
00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:59,679
much the ufo aspect but the idea that if

1007
00:29:02,710 --> 00:29:00,720
you can

1008
00:29:04,710 --> 00:29:02,720
get in somebody's mind like this alien

1009
00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:04,720
was doing then you can get into

1010
00:29:07,990 --> 00:29:06,240
you know the russian leader or the

1011
00:29:09,430 --> 00:29:08,000
chinese leader's head you can put stuff

1012
00:29:11,430 --> 00:29:09,440
in his head and stuff like that

1013
00:29:13,029 --> 00:29:11,440
so they went down that but they realized

1014
00:29:15,990 --> 00:29:13,039
in the 1950s

1015
00:29:17,430 --> 00:29:16,000
that consciousness was something that

1016
00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:17,440
you could manipulate and that's the

1017
00:29:20,950 --> 00:29:19,120
problem i've always had with them

1018
00:29:23,350 --> 00:29:20,960
is that they're always trying to turn it

1019
00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:23,360
into some sort of good versus evil thing

1020
00:29:27,269 --> 00:29:24,960
and we're going to use this to build

1021
00:29:28,789 --> 00:29:27,279
weapons out of it and most of the

1022
00:29:31,269 --> 00:29:28,799
messages you get from the intelligence

1023
00:29:32,630 --> 00:29:31,279
say no you're going down the wrong road

1024
00:29:35,430 --> 00:29:32,640
you're not going to get anything

1025
00:29:36,389 --> 00:29:35,440
in fact there's a story told some of the

1026
00:29:39,350 --> 00:29:36,399
biggest people that

1027
00:29:40,950 --> 00:29:39,360
i think know in the sort of the white

1028
00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:40,960
world about what's going on or people

1029
00:29:44,710 --> 00:29:42,240
like hal put off

1030
00:29:46,470 --> 00:29:44,720
jacques valet and kit green who was at

1031
00:29:47,830 --> 00:29:46,480
the cia he was the control officer for

1032
00:29:50,070 --> 00:29:47,840
the remote viewing program

1033
00:29:51,750 --> 00:29:50,080
and in the 1980s they actually had a

1034
00:29:53,350 --> 00:29:51,760
meeting a famous meeting

1035
00:29:54,870 --> 00:29:53,360
that's rumored happened at the denny's

1036
00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:54,880
restaurant and they said there's lots of

1037
00:29:58,310 --> 00:29:56,960
garbage there's lots of stories here

1038
00:29:59,830 --> 00:29:58,320
how do we know what to believe and they

1039
00:30:00,389 --> 00:29:59,840
came up with what's called the core

1040
00:30:01,990 --> 00:30:00,399
story

1041
00:30:04,710 --> 00:30:02,000
what do we know for sure and their

1042
00:30:06,389 --> 00:30:04,720
conclusion was number one

1043
00:30:08,470 --> 00:30:06,399
we're being interacted by some sort of

1044
00:30:11,510 --> 00:30:08,480
intelligence number two we've got

1045
00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:11,520
hardware recovered hardware

1046
00:30:15,590 --> 00:30:13,679
and we're unable to back engineer and

1047
00:30:17,430 --> 00:30:15,600
that's what i believe so we may have had

1048
00:30:19,190 --> 00:30:17,440
a craft since 1947

1049
00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:19,200
but we can't turn it on we have no idea

1050
00:30:22,630 --> 00:30:21,360
it's like using your thumbprint to open

1051
00:30:24,230 --> 00:30:22,640
up your cell phone

1052
00:30:25,830 --> 00:30:24,240
you need consciousness to turn this

1053
00:30:26,389 --> 00:30:25,840
thing on so they've got bodies they got

1054
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:26,399
crafts

1055
00:30:30,470 --> 00:30:28,320
but they still really don't understand

1056
00:30:34,149 --> 00:30:30,480
how that consciousness thing

1057
00:30:36,310 --> 00:30:34,159
actually works and yet the highest level

1058
00:30:38,789 --> 00:30:36,320
guy that i've dealt with

1059
00:30:41,350 --> 00:30:38,799
is a guy named ron pandolfi and he's

1060
00:30:42,870 --> 00:30:41,360
been with the ci since 1983

1061
00:30:46,070 --> 00:30:42,880
he's rumored to be the guy that briefs

1062
00:30:47,909 --> 00:30:46,080
trump on ufo type stuff

1063
00:30:49,350 --> 00:30:47,919
very high level guy i'm not even sure if

1064
00:30:51,909 --> 00:30:49,360
he's with the ci or who he's with

1065
00:30:52,710 --> 00:30:51,919
anymore but he basically talks about all

1066
00:30:54,630 --> 00:30:52,720
the

1067
00:30:56,149 --> 00:30:54,640
stuff that is being done on anti-gravity

1068
00:30:59,190 --> 00:30:56,159
and all that kind of stuff

1069
00:31:01,269 --> 00:30:59,200
he basically says it's a techno scam

1070
00:31:02,789 --> 00:31:01,279
and this is the whole idea is so you may

1071
00:31:04,630 --> 00:31:02,799
have some research whether it's remote

1072
00:31:07,269 --> 00:31:04,640
viewing research or whether it's

1073
00:31:08,630 --> 00:31:07,279
mk ultra stuff but we always think that

1074
00:31:11,190 --> 00:31:08,640
they've got it all figured out and in

1075
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:11,200
fact they're having a very hard time

1076
00:31:15,110 --> 00:31:12,880
doing it and he started talking about

1077
00:31:16,070 --> 00:31:15,120
portals and i'm thinking well why is he

1078
00:31:19,110 --> 00:31:16,080
is he trying to throw us

1079
00:31:22,149 --> 00:31:19,120
off with this portal thing and

1080
00:31:22,870 --> 00:31:22,159
i now sort of conclude that they really

1081
00:31:25,190 --> 00:31:22,880
don't have

1082
00:31:26,470 --> 00:31:25,200
any sort of technology like anti-gravity

1083
00:31:27,509 --> 00:31:26,480
technology or anything you hear all

1084
00:31:28,789 --> 00:31:27,519
these stories they're flying to

1085
00:31:30,149 --> 00:31:28,799
different planets and stuff

1086
00:31:31,269 --> 00:31:30,159
i think that's true that they don't

1087
00:31:32,230 --> 00:31:31,279
they're trying to get money from

1088
00:31:33,430 --> 00:31:32,240
congress so they're

1089
00:31:34,710 --> 00:31:33,440
in front of the senate intelligence

1090
00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:34,720
committee in the armed services

1091
00:31:38,149 --> 00:31:35,760
committee and they're saying

1092
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:38,159
oh these aliens could be a these uaps

1093
00:31:40,310 --> 00:31:39,360
can be threats and we have to do

1094
00:31:42,549 --> 00:31:40,320
something about this

1095
00:31:43,350 --> 00:31:42,559
and we can build weapons and technology

1096
00:31:46,149 --> 00:31:43,360
and stuff like that

1097
00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:46,159
but they really don't understand

1098
00:31:49,509 --> 00:31:47,760
pandolfe is the only guy that keeps

1099
00:31:51,430 --> 00:31:49,519
leaking the story about the portal and

1100
00:31:52,630 --> 00:31:51,440
the portal gets into this consciousness

1101
00:31:55,110 --> 00:31:52,640
thing that it's all

1102
00:31:55,830 --> 00:31:55,120
consciousness and the idea that they're

1103
00:31:57,990 --> 00:31:55,840
popping in

1104
00:31:58,870 --> 00:31:58,000
and popping out that they come into our

1105
00:32:00,630 --> 00:31:58,880
reality

1106
00:32:02,470 --> 00:32:00,640
and they can become physical so they can

1107
00:32:03,830 --> 00:32:02,480
become like a physical craft

1108
00:32:06,070 --> 00:32:03,840
almost like a ports if you've ever

1109
00:32:07,990 --> 00:32:06,080
studied a ports most experiencers i

1110
00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:08,000
think 60 percent of all experiencers who

1111
00:32:11,110 --> 00:32:09,600
claim they've been on board the ship

1112
00:32:13,029 --> 00:32:11,120
we'll talk about these support phenomena

1113
00:32:15,269 --> 00:32:13,039
and i i study these at great length

1114
00:32:16,630 --> 00:32:15,279
where they'll say i'll say to them do

1115
00:32:17,909 --> 00:32:16,640
you ever have an experience where

1116
00:32:19,990 --> 00:32:17,919
something sort of drops out of the

1117
00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:20,000
ceiling or something it moves from one

1118
00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:20,320
place

1119
00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:24,000
i go next room okay sure and they come

1120
00:32:27,029 --> 00:32:25,200
back with a whole collection of stuff

1121
00:32:29,590 --> 00:32:27,039
that has appeared from nowhere

1122
00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:29,600
and it's that kind of thing that my

1123
00:32:33,669 --> 00:32:31,200
interpretation is that whatever the

1124
00:32:36,070 --> 00:32:33,679
intelligence is it lives in the field

1125
00:32:37,430 --> 00:32:36,080
where the ghosts live and where the

1126
00:32:38,870 --> 00:32:37,440
spirits live and the fairies and all

1127
00:32:39,430 --> 00:32:38,880
that kind of stuff it's all the same

1128
00:32:41,509 --> 00:32:39,440
thing

1129
00:32:42,789 --> 00:32:41,519
and that they're able to manifest into

1130
00:32:45,269 --> 00:32:42,799
the physical world

1131
00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:45,279
and one prime example of that i started

1132
00:32:49,669 --> 00:32:47,279
to do a lot of stuff with

1133
00:32:51,110 --> 00:32:49,679
with seances with physical sales people

1134
00:32:52,389 --> 00:32:51,120
and if you're familiar with the whole

1135
00:32:55,029 --> 00:32:52,399
new york times

1136
00:32:57,269 --> 00:32:55,039
ufo thing leslie kane is the woman who

1137
00:32:58,870 --> 00:32:57,279
wrote the main article for the ufo thing

1138
00:33:00,470 --> 00:32:58,880
she's also into physical mediumship and

1139
00:33:02,870 --> 00:33:00,480
she tells this story

1140
00:33:03,830 --> 00:33:02,880
about being in a a couple of physical

1141
00:33:05,590 --> 00:33:03,840
seances

1142
00:33:07,430 --> 00:33:05,600
where she's sitting at the table and it

1143
00:33:08,070 --> 00:33:07,440
looks like waters coming up over top of

1144
00:33:10,310 --> 00:33:08,080
the table

1145
00:33:11,750 --> 00:33:10,320
and moving towards her flowing across

1146
00:33:13,190 --> 00:33:11,760
the table and all of a sudden this hand

1147
00:33:14,710 --> 00:33:13,200
appears out of nowhere

1148
00:33:16,310 --> 00:33:14,720
and it's right in front of her and she's

1149
00:33:17,590 --> 00:33:16,320
able to feel the hand and it's warmer

1150
00:33:19,509 --> 00:33:17,600
than a regular hand

1151
00:33:21,190 --> 00:33:19,519
and it's softer than a human hand she

1152
00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:21,200
can feel like fingernails and knuckles

1153
00:33:23,669 --> 00:33:21,840
or whatever

1154
00:33:25,190 --> 00:33:23,679
and then the hand bangs it's twice on

1155
00:33:26,310 --> 00:33:25,200
the table and then just sort of

1156
00:33:28,230 --> 00:33:26,320
de-manifests

1157
00:33:29,830 --> 00:33:28,240
and that's the whole idea is that

1158
00:33:30,950 --> 00:33:29,840
whatever i think this phenomena is is

1159
00:33:34,310 --> 00:33:30,960
coming in

1160
00:33:36,389 --> 00:33:34,320
is able to manifest into 3d

1161
00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:36,399
and it lowers its vibration whatever

1162
00:33:40,950 --> 00:33:37,679
it's doing it pops in

1163
00:33:41,669 --> 00:33:40,960
and it's able to pop back out the mind

1164
00:33:44,789 --> 00:33:41,679
thing

1165
00:33:45,909 --> 00:33:44,799
experiment if you're talking about mk

1166
00:33:47,430 --> 00:33:45,919
ultra they've done a lot of these

1167
00:33:49,110 --> 00:33:47,440
experiments but

1168
00:33:50,389 --> 00:33:49,120
how far they've gotten the one that i

1169
00:33:52,149 --> 00:33:50,399
thought was very significant there's a

1170
00:33:52,549 --> 00:33:52,159
guy by name well this guy this kit green

1171
00:34:02,070 --> 00:33:52,559
he

1172
00:34:05,430 --> 00:34:02,080
that briefed

1173
00:34:05,990 --> 00:34:05,440
president truman on the the cuban

1174
00:34:07,509 --> 00:34:06,000
missile crisis

1175
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:07,519
he was uh ran the photographic

1176
00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:09,359
interpretation lab for all the

1177
00:34:12,790 --> 00:34:12,000
u2 sr 71 and spy photographs for

1178
00:34:14,710 --> 00:34:12,800
analysis

1179
00:34:16,470 --> 00:34:14,720
he was very interested in ufos and the

1180
00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:16,480
second guy was this kit green and then

1181
00:34:20,629 --> 00:34:17,280
later the guy

1182
00:34:23,190 --> 00:34:20,639
now is ron pandolfi so kit green

1183
00:34:24,790 --> 00:34:23,200
there's a discussion he has with the guy

1184
00:34:27,109 --> 00:34:24,800
from rendell from forest

1185
00:34:28,470 --> 00:34:27,119
jim peniston and jim says well you know

1186
00:34:29,990 --> 00:34:28,480
why are you studying experiences what

1187
00:34:32,790 --> 00:34:30,000
are you doing and stuff like that

1188
00:34:34,069 --> 00:34:32,800
and he says we're working on propulsion

1189
00:34:35,430 --> 00:34:34,079
he set up bull you're working on

1190
00:34:36,230 --> 00:34:35,440
propulsion forget it you mean you ask

1191
00:34:36,950 --> 00:34:36,240
you're crazy you're not working on

1192
00:34:38,389 --> 00:34:36,960
propulsion

1193
00:34:39,750 --> 00:34:38,399
and he said well you maybe i used the

1194
00:34:40,550 --> 00:34:39,760
wrong word he said we're trying to

1195
00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:40,560
figure out

1196
00:34:44,869 --> 00:34:42,960
how does the phenomena pop in to our

1197
00:34:48,149 --> 00:34:44,879
reality and pop out just as quickly

1198
00:34:50,149 --> 00:34:48,159
so they have that sort of idea and yet

1199
00:34:51,669 --> 00:34:50,159
i don't think they fully understand it

1200
00:34:54,389 --> 00:34:51,679
because everything i've heard

1201
00:34:55,270 --> 00:34:54,399
like you hear about the famous area 51

1202
00:34:57,030 --> 00:34:55,280
dr

1203
00:34:58,390 --> 00:34:57,040
eric davis who's actually an experiencer

1204
00:34:59,430 --> 00:34:58,400
himself who's probably he's an

1205
00:35:01,109 --> 00:34:59,440
astrophysicist

1206
00:35:02,790 --> 00:35:01,119
probably knows more about the black

1207
00:35:03,430 --> 00:35:02,800
world of what they have what they don't

1208
00:35:06,310 --> 00:35:03,440
have

1209
00:35:07,589 --> 00:35:06,320
and he described the fact that in 1989

1210
00:35:10,069 --> 00:35:07,599
they shut the program down

1211
00:35:11,349 --> 00:35:10,079
they had recovered saucers and they

1212
00:35:12,069 --> 00:35:11,359
actually shut the program down because

1213
00:35:13,349 --> 00:35:12,079
they weren't getting anywhere they

1214
00:35:13,990 --> 00:35:13,359
couldn't figure it out so they put on

1215
00:35:15,430 --> 00:35:14,000
the shelf

1216
00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:15,440
and every seven or eight years they take

1217
00:35:19,349 --> 00:35:17,280
it off the shelf and look at it again

1218
00:35:21,349 --> 00:35:19,359
so that's the whole thing so you may

1219
00:35:23,990 --> 00:35:21,359
have little ins and outs about

1220
00:35:24,470 --> 00:35:24,000
like the remote viewing program they ran

1221
00:35:26,790 --> 00:35:24,480
that

1222
00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:26,800
and they had some success at it and

1223
00:35:29,430 --> 00:35:28,560
there may be some real black operation

1224
00:35:31,589 --> 00:35:29,440
because when they shut the remote

1225
00:35:33,190 --> 00:35:31,599
viewing program down in 1995

1226
00:35:34,630 --> 00:35:33,200
the big story was well the ci shut it

1227
00:35:35,829 --> 00:35:34,640
down it wasn't working

1228
00:35:37,190 --> 00:35:35,839
and that was because the story was

1229
00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:37,200
leaking it was somebody was about to do

1230
00:35:40,630 --> 00:35:39,040
a book so they shut the program down

1231
00:35:42,390 --> 00:35:40,640
and said it wasn't working and that cut

1232
00:35:44,150 --> 00:35:42,400
it off and then everybody said it went

1233
00:35:45,750 --> 00:35:44,160
to nsa everybody said well come on

1234
00:35:46,150 --> 00:35:45,760
there's no other shot program down like

1235
00:35:48,630 --> 00:35:46,160
this

1236
00:35:50,230 --> 00:35:48,640
and it went to nsa but how far they've

1237
00:35:51,430 --> 00:35:50,240
gotten i'm not really sure when it comes

1238
00:35:53,349 --> 00:35:51,440
to the mk ultra stuff

1239
00:35:55,030 --> 00:35:53,359
there's a lot of you know stories i

1240
00:35:56,550 --> 00:35:55,040
think that are sort of exaggerated about

1241
00:35:58,069 --> 00:35:56,560
what they're able to do that they can

1242
00:36:00,630 --> 00:35:58,079
come to your computer and get into your

1243
00:36:02,150 --> 00:36:00,640
mind i've been at it for 45 years i've

1244
00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:02,160
never experienced anything like that or

1245
00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:03,280
they have this thing where

1246
00:36:06,550 --> 00:36:04,800
people are threatened and killed and i

1247
00:36:08,150 --> 00:36:06,560
go i've been in this for 45 years

1248
00:36:10,069 --> 00:36:08,160
i've never been and i went after the

1249
00:36:11,829 --> 00:36:10,079
president i went after these high-level

1250
00:36:12,310 --> 00:36:11,839
cia people and wrote about them in books

1251
00:36:13,990 --> 00:36:12,320
and stuff

1252
00:36:15,349 --> 00:36:14,000
and i'm not even an american if they

1253
00:36:16,230 --> 00:36:15,359
want to knock me off they can knock me

1254
00:36:18,150 --> 00:36:16,240
off anytime

1255
00:36:19,670 --> 00:36:18,160
i've never experienced any of that kind

1256
00:36:22,710 --> 00:36:19,680
of sort of real

1257
00:36:24,390 --> 00:36:22,720
sort of out there theories about the

1258
00:36:25,270 --> 00:36:24,400
mind control and they can control you

1259
00:36:27,349 --> 00:36:25,280
and stuff like that

1260
00:36:29,349 --> 00:36:27,359
i mean they may have it but i think that

1261
00:36:30,790 --> 00:36:29,359
it's a lot of military bravado

1262
00:36:32,069 --> 00:36:30,800
they're putting it out and people are

1263
00:36:33,510 --> 00:36:32,079
bragging and stuff i don't think they're

1264
00:36:34,710 --> 00:36:33,520
as far advanced as some people think

1265
00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:34,720
they are

1266
00:36:38,230 --> 00:36:36,720
yeah that is one of the more interesting

1267
00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:38,240
conclusions you have made

1268
00:36:41,829 --> 00:36:40,320
and that's contrary to those who think

1269
00:36:43,430 --> 00:36:41,839
we've cracked all this tech and we have

1270
00:36:45,030 --> 00:36:43,440
a secret space program

1271
00:36:46,470 --> 00:36:45,040
you think that they haven't made much

1272
00:36:47,829 --> 00:36:46,480
progress at all and are still

1273
00:36:49,829 --> 00:36:47,839
trying to get these little pieces of

1274
00:36:52,230 --> 00:36:49,839
metal to levitate on a table

1275
00:36:54,470 --> 00:36:52,240
and i'm torn because i could absolutely

1276
00:36:56,230 --> 00:36:54,480
see how before all this psy research

1277
00:36:58,230 --> 00:36:56,240
and the exploration of consciousness

1278
00:37:00,390 --> 00:36:58,240
they had no context for

1279
00:37:02,470 --> 00:37:00,400
mental phenomenon or controlling a ship

1280
00:37:04,310 --> 00:37:02,480
in that way and even once they had that

1281
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:04,320
understanding maybe it takes the highly

1282
00:37:07,829 --> 00:37:06,400
developed mental mastery of a tibetan

1283
00:37:08,710 --> 00:37:07,839
monk to work with this stuff and if

1284
00:37:10,390 --> 00:37:08,720
that's the case

1285
00:37:11,829 --> 00:37:10,400
i wouldn't be surprised if they haven't

1286
00:37:14,150 --> 00:37:11,839
been able to get very far

1287
00:37:16,310 --> 00:37:14,160
and i agree consciousness is definitely

1288
00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:16,320
key but i'm also interested in that

1289
00:37:19,990 --> 00:37:17,280
recovered

1290
00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:20,000
hardware the physical meta materials

1291
00:37:22,310 --> 00:37:21,280
obviously a lot of people are talking

1292
00:37:25,349 --> 00:37:22,320
about that right now

1293
00:37:27,589 --> 00:37:25,359
richard dolan talks about the reveals

1294
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:27,599
from his contacts that it bends light in

1295
00:37:30,630 --> 00:37:28,800
a strange way

1296
00:37:32,870 --> 00:37:30,640
some say it has a memory to it and it

1297
00:37:34,790 --> 00:37:32,880
returns to its shape when you bend it

1298
00:37:37,030 --> 00:37:34,800
i hear a story about linda mullen howell

1299
00:37:37,750 --> 00:37:37,040
one's having some and selling it for 35

1300
00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:37,760
000

1301
00:37:41,750 --> 00:37:39,680
what can you tell us about the qualities

1302
00:37:41,990 --> 00:37:41,760
of what they have found that's physical

1303
00:37:46,230 --> 00:37:42,000
and

1304
00:37:48,310 --> 00:37:46,240
dozens of pieces hundreds of pieces what

1305
00:37:49,670 --> 00:37:48,320
do you think

1306
00:37:51,430 --> 00:37:49,680
the canadians were actually getting

1307
00:37:54,230 --> 00:37:51,440
material coming into canada

1308
00:37:55,990 --> 00:37:54,240
from the americans i talked to the guy

1309
00:37:56,630 --> 00:37:56,000
who was the metallurgist and i asked him

1310
00:37:58,150 --> 00:37:56,640
i said

1311
00:38:00,230 --> 00:37:58,160
how much material did you actually

1312
00:38:01,589 --> 00:38:00,240
handle and he said tons of it

1313
00:38:03,109 --> 00:38:01,599
and so they were looking at all the

1314
00:38:03,990 --> 00:38:03,119
stuff i have a different view on the

1315
00:38:05,670 --> 00:38:04,000
meta materials

1316
00:38:07,750 --> 00:38:05,680
and i actually wrote hal put off about

1317
00:38:10,390 --> 00:38:07,760
this because help put off is sort of the

1318
00:38:11,430 --> 00:38:10,400
lead guy in terms of getting this stuff

1319
00:38:14,950 --> 00:38:11,440
analyzed and stuff

1320
00:38:16,470 --> 00:38:14,960
and i said to him i said hell this is a

1321
00:38:18,870 --> 00:38:16,480
port material

1322
00:38:19,589 --> 00:38:18,880
you had this stuff going on in 1972 in

1323
00:38:21,109 --> 00:38:19,599
your lab

1324
00:38:22,790 --> 00:38:21,119
with yuri geller that yuri geller

1325
00:38:24,550 --> 00:38:22,800
there's a famous story told that they

1326
00:38:26,790 --> 00:38:24,560
went for lunch edgar mitchell

1327
00:38:28,710 --> 00:38:26,800
and hell put off go for lunch with yuri

1328
00:38:30,790 --> 00:38:28,720
geller and he's eating ice cream

1329
00:38:31,990 --> 00:38:30,800
and suddenly his lip is bleeding and he

1330
00:38:35,349 --> 00:38:32,000
bites down on something

1331
00:38:36,550 --> 00:38:35,359
he pulls it out of his mouth and edgar

1332
00:38:39,349 --> 00:38:36,560
mitchell says

1333
00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:39,359
where'd you get that from that's my it

1334
00:38:42,470 --> 00:38:40,800
was an air force pin or something that

1335
00:38:43,430 --> 00:38:42,480
he'd lost in houston a couple years

1336
00:38:44,950 --> 00:38:43,440
before he said

1337
00:38:46,550 --> 00:38:44,960
how did you get that thing and it was

1338
00:38:48,630 --> 00:38:46,560
just the front part of the pin

1339
00:38:49,589 --> 00:38:48,640
and so they go back to the lab and when

1340
00:38:50,710 --> 00:38:49,599
they're in the lab

1341
00:38:52,470 --> 00:38:50,720
they're standing in the lab and yuri

1342
00:38:53,109 --> 00:38:52,480
geller's in another room and all of a

1343
00:38:54,950 --> 00:38:53,119
sudden kink

1344
00:38:56,230 --> 00:38:54,960
in behind them they turn around and the

1345
00:38:56,950 --> 00:38:56,240
back half of the pin is lying on the

1346
00:38:59,270 --> 00:38:56,960
floor

1347
00:39:00,470 --> 00:38:59,280
and so i said to hal i said come on this

1348
00:39:02,069 --> 00:39:00,480
is a port i mean

1349
00:39:03,510 --> 00:39:02,079
you don't take a flying saucer come

1350
00:39:04,950 --> 00:39:03,520
across the galaxy and then little pieces

1351
00:39:05,990 --> 00:39:04,960
start falling off the flying saucer this

1352
00:39:08,069 --> 00:39:06,000
is total nonsense

1353
00:39:09,589 --> 00:39:08,079
this is i call it the theory of wow and

1354
00:39:12,310 --> 00:39:09,599
i think that a lot of what this

1355
00:39:14,150 --> 00:39:12,320
is is the intelligence is just trying to

1356
00:39:16,069 --> 00:39:14,160
mess with us they want you to go wow

1357
00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:16,079
what's going on like why do ufos have

1358
00:39:18,870 --> 00:39:17,760
lights on them so you can see them they

1359
00:39:19,589 --> 00:39:18,880
don't need lights we don't have lights

1360
00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:19,599
on our crafts

1361
00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:21,119
they do this kind of stuff and so

1362
00:39:24,069 --> 00:39:22,800
they're dropping this material and so i

1363
00:39:25,510 --> 00:39:24,079
said to hell i said

1364
00:39:27,430 --> 00:39:25,520
this has got to be a port material

1365
00:39:28,310 --> 00:39:27,440
they're just dropping this very weird

1366
00:39:30,069 --> 00:39:28,320
stuff

1367
00:39:31,190 --> 00:39:30,079
and everybody's getting all interested

1368
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:31,200
and they're they're looking at this kind

1369
00:39:33,670 --> 00:39:31,920
of stuff

1370
00:39:35,430 --> 00:39:33,680
and what he said he was always very

1371
00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:35,440
short in the way he replied he said

1372
00:39:39,750 --> 00:39:37,760
we'll analyze the material one step at a

1373
00:39:40,390 --> 00:39:39,760
time so he didn't deny it was a port

1374
00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:40,400
material

1375
00:39:43,270 --> 00:39:41,760
and that's what i say when you start

1376
00:39:44,710 --> 00:39:43,280
looking at these pieces you'll find no

1377
00:39:45,990 --> 00:39:44,720
two pieces that are the same

1378
00:39:47,589 --> 00:39:46,000
they're all different pieces and they

1379
00:39:48,630 --> 00:39:47,599
all have very very bizarre

1380
00:39:50,710 --> 00:39:48,640
characteristics

1381
00:39:52,630 --> 00:39:50,720
but i say that they're having this idea

1382
00:39:54,550 --> 00:39:52,640
oh if we can figure out how to

1383
00:39:55,990 --> 00:39:54,560
what this piece of metal is made out of

1384
00:39:57,430 --> 00:39:56,000
well then we can figure out how to build

1385
00:39:58,630 --> 00:39:57,440
a flying saucer well no i mean

1386
00:40:01,030 --> 00:39:58,640
they may have just put the piece of

1387
00:40:02,470 --> 00:40:01,040
metal down and it's got these they put

1388
00:40:04,150 --> 00:40:02,480
all these weird properties in it's one

1389
00:40:05,589 --> 00:40:04,160
of the theory of wild things it's like

1390
00:40:06,790 --> 00:40:05,599
we put lights on okay let's drop these

1391
00:40:08,230 --> 00:40:06,800
pieces of metal this will get the

1392
00:40:08,950 --> 00:40:08,240
monkeys really thinking about what's

1393
00:40:10,710 --> 00:40:08,960
going on and

1394
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:10,720
trying to realize like you know physical

1395
00:40:13,750 --> 00:40:12,400
reality isn't what you think it is

1396
00:40:15,670 --> 00:40:13,760
because these pieces are all over the

1397
00:40:15,990 --> 00:40:15,680
place and i was just at a famous case

1398
00:40:18,550 --> 00:40:16,000
just

1399
00:40:19,430 --> 00:40:18,560
last week with this film crew we were at

1400
00:40:22,550 --> 00:40:19,440
falcon lake

1401
00:40:24,630 --> 00:40:22,560
manitoba this is a famous case in 1967

1402
00:40:26,790 --> 00:40:24,640
where stephen mickelek is a prospector

1403
00:40:28,150 --> 00:40:26,800
he's out in the middle of this forest

1404
00:40:30,230 --> 00:40:28,160
and he's trying to find

1405
00:40:31,349 --> 00:40:30,240
silver and he's sitting there and this

1406
00:40:33,430 --> 00:40:31,359
thing lands

1407
00:40:34,630 --> 00:40:33,440
there's two crafts they hover there and

1408
00:40:36,309 --> 00:40:34,640
then the one lands

1409
00:40:38,309 --> 00:40:36,319
and he's what's going on here so he

1410
00:40:40,150 --> 00:40:38,319
walks over and the door opens up and

1411
00:40:42,069 --> 00:40:40,160
he hears these guys talking in some

1412
00:40:43,109 --> 00:40:42,079
strange language and he tries to talk

1413
00:40:43,990 --> 00:40:43,119
all these different languages and it

1414
00:40:45,510 --> 00:40:44,000
doesn't reply

1415
00:40:47,109 --> 00:40:45,520
and then it takes off and he gets burned

1416
00:40:49,270 --> 00:40:47,119
so it's this very famous case

1417
00:40:51,670 --> 00:40:49,280
so we go in on horseback a couple days

1418
00:40:53,349 --> 00:40:51,680
ago they're filming this whole thing

1419
00:40:54,710 --> 00:40:53,359
but the thing was there was metal most

1420
00:40:55,829 --> 00:40:54,720
people don't know there was metal found

1421
00:40:59,270 --> 00:40:55,839
at this site as well

1422
00:41:00,710 --> 00:40:59,280
and it was silver 95 pure silver and

1423
00:41:02,630 --> 00:41:00,720
five percent pure

1424
00:41:04,069 --> 00:41:02,640
copper but it had these very bizarre

1425
00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:04,079
characteristics to it it wasn't

1426
00:41:07,589 --> 00:41:06,000
ordinary silver and the thing is how did

1427
00:41:09,910 --> 00:41:07,599
this stuff get in the rock i mean

1428
00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:09,920
did it drop this stuff or and then you

1429
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:11,440
take a look at the piece that linda

1430
00:41:14,470 --> 00:41:12,480
household this

1431
00:41:15,510 --> 00:41:14,480
piece with the business magnesium stuff

1432
00:41:17,430 --> 00:41:15,520
where it's all layered

1433
00:41:18,550 --> 00:41:17,440
and it creates this wave guide so

1434
00:41:20,150 --> 00:41:18,560
they're looking at this stuff

1435
00:41:21,670 --> 00:41:20,160
and then tom delong talks about oh you

1436
00:41:22,950 --> 00:41:21,680
get the electrons going across we can

1437
00:41:25,270 --> 00:41:22,960
levitate this piece of

1438
00:41:26,950 --> 00:41:25,280
stuff off the table and that is absolute

1439
00:41:29,109 --> 00:41:26,960
confirmation they don't get anything

1440
00:41:31,270 --> 00:41:29,119
if they are still trying to levitate a

1441
00:41:33,030 --> 00:41:31,280
little tiny piece of metal off the table

1442
00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:33,040
they've got nothing and that's what you

1443
00:41:35,990 --> 00:41:34,560
start to see is they're thinking that

1444
00:41:38,069 --> 00:41:36,000
this is going to be the solution

1445
00:41:39,750 --> 00:41:38,079
and i say no i think this is going to be

1446
00:41:40,790 --> 00:41:39,760
weird stuff that they're just trying to

1447
00:41:41,829 --> 00:41:40,800
drop to get us

1448
00:41:43,589 --> 00:41:41,839
because there's pieces all over the

1449
00:41:45,109 --> 00:41:43,599
place we were at the university of

1450
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:45,119
arizona in tucson

1451
00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:47,280
and we found a piece in the file james

1452
00:41:51,349 --> 00:41:48,400
mcdonald's files

1453
00:41:53,190 --> 00:41:51,359
from 1939 and again it was a very

1454
00:41:54,390 --> 00:41:53,200
bizarre came out of the sky this guy saw

1455
00:41:55,270 --> 00:41:54,400
that it looked like a meteorite coming

1456
00:41:58,309 --> 00:41:55,280
out of the sky and it

1457
00:41:59,670 --> 00:41:58,319
embedded itself in his garden and it was

1458
00:42:01,750 --> 00:41:59,680
red-hot they all described the same

1459
00:42:03,910 --> 00:42:01,760
thing when these ufos dropped this metal

1460
00:42:05,670 --> 00:42:03,920
it's molten when it drops and it's very

1461
00:42:06,950 --> 00:42:05,680
hot and when it cools down

1462
00:42:07,990 --> 00:42:06,960
the people grab this metal and they

1463
00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:08,000
think they got a piece of a flying

1464
00:42:09,990 --> 00:42:09,119
saucer and we're going to build a flying

1465
00:42:12,150 --> 00:42:10,000
saucer now

1466
00:42:13,190 --> 00:42:12,160
and he pulled it out of his garden and

1467
00:42:14,870 --> 00:42:13,200
it looks like a spike

1468
00:42:16,790 --> 00:42:14,880
with sort of a round end on it like

1469
00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:16,800
bubbles almost like the the it was

1470
00:42:20,230 --> 00:42:18,720
sort of bubbling or or still molten or

1471
00:42:22,230 --> 00:42:20,240
whatever and he grabs this thing and he

1472
00:42:24,150 --> 00:42:22,240
keeps it and in the 1960s he gives it to

1473
00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:24,160
his daughter who lives in tucson arizona

1474
00:42:27,990 --> 00:42:26,000
this is when nassau is going to the moon

1475
00:42:29,190 --> 00:42:28,000
and they have a lab in tucson so she

1476
00:42:30,550 --> 00:42:29,200
takes it to the lab

1477
00:42:33,030 --> 00:42:30,560
and they have it analyzed and it's the

1478
00:42:35,270 --> 00:42:33,040
same bizarre thing it's 95

1479
00:42:37,430 --> 00:42:35,280
pure nickel nothing out of the sky at

1480
00:42:39,829 --> 00:42:37,440
that time and like planes that

1481
00:42:41,829 --> 00:42:39,839
has that type of metal and then they cut

1482
00:42:42,150 --> 00:42:41,839
off a piece off the end of it to analyze

1483
00:42:44,069 --> 00:42:42,160
it

1484
00:42:45,510 --> 00:42:44,079
and they discover that there's a copper

1485
00:42:47,829 --> 00:42:45,520
core in the middle of this thing so this

1486
00:42:49,349 --> 00:42:47,839
is 1939 already this is long before

1487
00:42:51,109 --> 00:42:49,359
all this sort of stuff happens you get

1488
00:42:52,630 --> 00:42:51,119
piles and piles and policies pieces

1489
00:42:54,069 --> 00:42:52,640
none of them are the same they're all

1490
00:42:55,750 --> 00:42:54,079
different they're all very weird they

1491
00:42:57,270 --> 00:42:55,760
have weird isotopes

1492
00:42:59,349 --> 00:42:57,280
i think it's it's the theory of wow it's

1493
00:43:00,390 --> 00:42:59,359
just to get us to think about it it's

1494
00:43:02,390 --> 00:43:00,400
like a ports

1495
00:43:03,910 --> 00:43:02,400
you know these things where they drop

1496
00:43:06,309 --> 00:43:03,920
coins or

1497
00:43:07,750 --> 00:43:06,319
strange things and i think the mistake

1498
00:43:08,950 --> 00:43:07,760
is to think oh if we get this piece of

1499
00:43:10,069 --> 00:43:08,960
metal

1500
00:43:12,069 --> 00:43:10,079
we're going to be able to build a flying

1501
00:43:13,349 --> 00:43:12,079
saucer because i'll guarantee you no two

1502
00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:13,359
pieces are the same

1503
00:43:16,470 --> 00:43:14,800
yes and there's hundreds of pieces

1504
00:43:16,870 --> 00:43:16,480
hundreds of pieces from all around the

1505
00:43:19,510 --> 00:43:16,880
world

1506
00:43:20,790 --> 00:43:19,520
and we'd even get some cases where i did

1507
00:43:22,870 --> 00:43:20,800
some articles and i said

1508
00:43:23,990 --> 00:43:22,880
oh this stuff is being extruded out of

1509
00:43:25,990 --> 00:43:24,000
these ufos

1510
00:43:27,270 --> 00:43:26,000
and one of the most famous ufo

1511
00:43:28,710 --> 00:43:27,280
contactees is the government of chris

1512
00:43:31,270 --> 00:43:28,720
bledsoe out of

1513
00:43:32,230 --> 00:43:31,280
north carolina who warner brothers is

1514
00:43:33,510 --> 00:43:32,240
going to do 80 million

1515
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:33,520
movie on this guy so he's got some

1516
00:43:36,870 --> 00:43:35,280
pretty bizarre stories he said no you

1517
00:43:38,550 --> 00:43:36,880
got it wrong it doesn't it drips off the

1518
00:43:39,670 --> 00:43:38,560
ufo and i said what do you mean it drips

1519
00:43:41,589 --> 00:43:39,680
how do you know that he said

1520
00:43:43,510 --> 00:43:41,599
well because this orb came it was 11

1521
00:43:45,670 --> 00:43:43,520
feet off the ground flew across my

1522
00:43:46,390 --> 00:43:45,680
driveway and this metal was dripping off

1523
00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:46,400
the orb

1524
00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:48,160
and i scooped up all the metal and we've

1525
00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:49,760
even got photographs of this metal

1526
00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:50,880
and they take it and analyze it and they

1527
00:43:54,230 --> 00:43:52,880
go oh what is this oh cool

1528
00:43:55,589 --> 00:43:54,240
it's almost like crop circles like why

1529
00:43:56,870 --> 00:43:55,599
would you not just give the message

1530
00:43:58,069 --> 00:43:56,880
instead of doing crop circles because

1531
00:44:01,030 --> 00:43:58,079
people are going to go in and go

1532
00:44:02,630 --> 00:44:01,040
oh my god what is this how did they put

1533
00:44:04,550 --> 00:44:02,640
this thing down or i always tell

1534
00:44:05,910 --> 00:44:04,560
linda howe with the cattle mutilations

1535
00:44:07,430 --> 00:44:05,920
like why did they take the blood out of

1536
00:44:09,109 --> 00:44:07,440
the cow why did it take out every single

1537
00:44:10,710 --> 00:44:09,119
drop of blood out of the cow

1538
00:44:11,990 --> 00:44:10,720
because if they didn't nobody would pay

1539
00:44:13,670 --> 00:44:12,000
any attention to it it's got to be

1540
00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:13,680
really weird why did they do the bizarre

1541
00:44:17,190 --> 00:44:15,040
cut marks and stuff like that

1542
00:44:18,550 --> 00:44:17,200
and why did they get the cow they fly

1543
00:44:20,150 --> 00:44:18,560
off with a cow they've got it and they

1544
00:44:22,069 --> 00:44:20,160
do the mutilation or whatever and then

1545
00:44:23,589 --> 00:44:22,079
they fly back into the war zone and drop

1546
00:44:24,950 --> 00:44:23,599
the cow from 100 feet up into the

1547
00:44:26,390 --> 00:44:24,960
farmer's front yard

1548
00:44:28,069 --> 00:44:26,400
why would they do that because they know

1549
00:44:29,270 --> 00:44:28,079
people like linda howe and all the other

1550
00:44:29,990 --> 00:44:29,280
researchers are going to go and take

1551
00:44:33,670 --> 00:44:30,000
photographs

1552
00:44:34,950 --> 00:44:33,680
want everybody to go what the heck is

1553
00:44:36,950 --> 00:44:34,960
going on and then you suddenly

1554
00:44:38,309 --> 00:44:36,960
realize that a lot of cattle mutations

1555
00:44:41,430 --> 00:44:38,319
if not all of them are downwind and

1556
00:44:43,589 --> 00:44:41,440
downstream from contamination or nuclear

1557
00:44:45,349 --> 00:44:43,599
test sites and you start getting these

1558
00:44:46,230 --> 00:44:45,359
patterns but what they're doing is

1559
00:44:47,670 --> 00:44:46,240
they're making it

1560
00:44:49,510 --> 00:44:47,680
it's almost like there was a book called

1561
00:44:51,270 --> 00:44:49,520
the trickster and it's the trickster

1562
00:44:53,030 --> 00:44:51,280
phenomena it's the idea that

1563
00:44:54,470 --> 00:44:53,040
or i say people said me oh it's not a

1564
00:44:55,750 --> 00:44:54,480
circus don't make this into a circus i

1565
00:44:58,069 --> 00:44:55,760
said yeah it is a circus

1566
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:58,079
like jesus christ if jesus hadn't healed

1567
00:45:01,589 --> 00:44:59,760
people walked on water

1568
00:45:03,589 --> 00:45:01,599
and risen from the dead you wouldn't

1569
00:45:05,430 --> 00:45:03,599
know who he was you do the trick

1570
00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:05,440
you get people's attention and then you

1571
00:45:10,150 --> 00:45:07,520
deliver the message

1572
00:45:11,349 --> 00:45:10,160
yes man i love all this stuff and that

1573
00:45:13,270 --> 00:45:11,359
idea of weird

1574
00:45:14,950 --> 00:45:13,280
plasma balls floating through the sky

1575
00:45:16,790 --> 00:45:14,960
dripping strange metals is

1576
00:45:17,990 --> 00:45:16,800
right up my alley and i know you've

1577
00:45:20,470 --> 00:45:18,000
mentioned the 70

1578
00:45:21,990 --> 00:45:20,480
modalities to get into that other state

1579
00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:22,000
of consciousness and i agree we got to

1580
00:45:26,069 --> 00:45:24,160
be very cross-disciplinary

1581
00:45:28,069 --> 00:45:26,079
when it comes to looking at this stuff

1582
00:45:29,750 --> 00:45:28,079
have you ever studied the claims of

1583
00:45:31,510 --> 00:45:29,760
alchemists maybe they'd have some

1584
00:45:34,870 --> 00:45:31,520
insight into some of the strange

1585
00:45:36,390 --> 00:45:34,880
almost fused but very pure metals

1586
00:45:37,030 --> 00:45:36,400
because this is exactly the kind of

1587
00:45:39,589 --> 00:45:37,040
thing

1588
00:45:40,069 --> 00:45:39,599
they claim to be synthesizing in secret

1589
00:45:42,630 --> 00:45:40,079
in

1590
00:45:44,870 --> 00:45:42,640
a lot of their lore and a couple of them

1591
00:45:45,670 --> 00:45:44,880
are emerging now more so than they used

1592
00:45:47,990 --> 00:45:45,680
to and

1593
00:45:49,670 --> 00:45:48,000
the things they have to say it'd be like

1594
00:45:51,430 --> 00:45:49,680
man that's the kind of guy i would

1595
00:45:53,430 --> 00:45:51,440
really love to analyze some of these

1596
00:45:54,790 --> 00:45:53,440
medals any experience there

1597
00:45:56,150 --> 00:45:54,800
no i haven't got any experience but i'm

1598
00:45:57,430 --> 00:45:56,160
writing it down i'm going to check that

1599
00:45:58,870 --> 00:45:57,440
out because that is true that's what you

1600
00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:58,880
have to do is you have to find people

1601
00:46:02,309 --> 00:46:00,000
who are sort of on the leading

1602
00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:02,319
edge and assume that they're telling the

1603
00:46:05,190 --> 00:46:03,920
truth they may be diluted

1604
00:46:06,630 --> 00:46:05,200
with whatever belief system they're

1605
00:46:07,990 --> 00:46:06,640
coming out and that's the only way

1606
00:46:09,510 --> 00:46:08,000
you're going to discover things

1607
00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:09,520
because that's my whole left brain right

1608
00:46:13,670 --> 00:46:11,760
brain thing where and i always

1609
00:46:15,190 --> 00:46:13,680
sort of hammer science with this because

1610
00:46:16,390 --> 00:46:15,200
neurology doesn't talk about this this

1611
00:46:17,349 --> 00:46:16,400
is this idea of the left brain

1612
00:46:19,829 --> 00:46:17,359
interpreter

1613
00:46:21,030 --> 00:46:19,839
that it was discovered when they had the

1614
00:46:22,870 --> 00:46:21,040
split brain if you're familiar with the

1615
00:46:25,270 --> 00:46:22,880
split brain research it was done by

1616
00:46:27,349 --> 00:46:25,280
gazenga after they won the nobel prize

1617
00:46:28,710 --> 00:46:27,359
for split brain research

1618
00:46:30,710 --> 00:46:28,720
they started to do these tests where

1619
00:46:32,470 --> 00:46:30,720
they would take the split brain people

1620
00:46:33,750 --> 00:46:32,480
and they would send signals to the right

1621
00:46:35,430 --> 00:46:33,760
and left brain they would people had

1622
00:46:36,790 --> 00:46:35,440
their corpus callosum cut because of

1623
00:46:39,349 --> 00:46:36,800
this epilepsy thing

1624
00:46:40,790 --> 00:46:39,359
and then the two brains are separated

1625
00:46:42,069 --> 00:46:40,800
and that was the first mistake people

1626
00:46:43,270 --> 00:46:42,079
make they say oh the brain does this the

1627
00:46:44,390 --> 00:46:43,280
brain does that and i said no the brain

1628
00:46:45,910 --> 00:46:44,400
doesn't do anything

1629
00:46:47,670 --> 00:46:45,920
according to gizenika there could be

1630
00:46:49,109 --> 00:46:47,680
potentially millions of independent

1631
00:46:50,710 --> 00:46:49,119
modules in the brain

1632
00:46:52,150 --> 00:46:50,720
and there's at least two brains and then

1633
00:46:54,150 --> 00:46:52,160
all these independent modules that all

1634
00:46:55,829 --> 00:46:54,160
work together like cells in the body

1635
00:46:57,589 --> 00:46:55,839
to perform a task it's not one thing

1636
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:57,599
doing this it's all working together

1637
00:47:00,550 --> 00:46:58,800
and so what they would do is they would

1638
00:47:01,430 --> 00:47:00,560
send these signals to the right brain

1639
00:47:04,550 --> 00:47:01,440
the left brain

1640
00:47:07,030 --> 00:47:04,560
analytical

1641
00:47:09,270 --> 00:47:07,040
ego brain where the language is and the

1642
00:47:11,510 --> 00:47:09,280
right brain is sort of like the female

1643
00:47:12,550 --> 00:47:11,520
unity brain that gets the downloads and

1644
00:47:14,230 --> 00:47:12,560
stuff like that

1645
00:47:15,750 --> 00:47:14,240
and when we can shut down the left brain

1646
00:47:16,230 --> 00:47:15,760
that's when the right brain picks up the

1647
00:47:18,150 --> 00:47:16,240
signal

1648
00:47:19,430 --> 00:47:18,160
and is able to bring it in so they were

1649
00:47:21,190 --> 00:47:19,440
doing these experiments where they would

1650
00:47:22,309 --> 00:47:21,200
do stuff like they would send a signal

1651
00:47:23,670 --> 00:47:22,319
to the right brain

1652
00:47:25,349 --> 00:47:23,680
and the right brain runs the left side

1653
00:47:27,030 --> 00:47:25,359
of the body and vice versa so they would

1654
00:47:29,030 --> 00:47:27,040
send us a message to the

1655
00:47:30,549 --> 00:47:29,040
right brain which can't talk and it

1656
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:30,559
would say pick up the coke

1657
00:47:33,270 --> 00:47:32,160
drink the coke and so the left hand

1658
00:47:33,910 --> 00:47:33,280
would pick up the coke and drink the

1659
00:47:35,910 --> 00:47:33,920
coke

1660
00:47:37,190 --> 00:47:35,920
and then they would say to the person

1661
00:47:38,549 --> 00:47:37,200
why did you pick up the coke

1662
00:47:39,990 --> 00:47:38,559
so now that because the brains are

1663
00:47:41,829 --> 00:47:40,000
separated you're talking to the left

1664
00:47:43,349 --> 00:47:41,839
brain because that's where the voice is

1665
00:47:45,270 --> 00:47:43,359
the right brain knows what happened but

1666
00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:45,280
it can't talk and the left brain is

1667
00:47:49,430 --> 00:47:47,920
has no idea but the left brain they call

1668
00:47:51,030 --> 00:47:49,440
it the interpreter it's actually

1669
00:47:52,710 --> 00:47:51,040
there's some uglier words you could use

1670
00:47:53,670 --> 00:47:52,720
for it the left brain interpreter and

1671
00:47:55,990 --> 00:47:53,680
what it does

1672
00:47:57,270 --> 00:47:56,000
is when your worldview is shattered so

1673
00:47:58,870 --> 00:47:57,280
when when you

1674
00:48:00,390 --> 00:47:58,880
see something like someone you're you've

1675
00:48:02,470 --> 00:48:00,400
gone through school and

1676
00:48:03,589 --> 00:48:02,480
somebody comes up and says oh i saw ufo

1677
00:48:05,349 --> 00:48:03,599
immediately

1678
00:48:07,270 --> 00:48:05,359
there's a hole in your world view

1679
00:48:09,270 --> 00:48:07,280
suddenly there's a massive hole there

1680
00:48:11,430 --> 00:48:09,280
and what the left brain interpreter does

1681
00:48:13,349 --> 00:48:11,440
is it makes the situation

1682
00:48:14,870 --> 00:48:13,359
palatable again it'll fill the hole

1683
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:14,880
immediately and i'll say oh you just

1684
00:48:18,790 --> 00:48:16,800
imagined it you made it up

1685
00:48:20,069 --> 00:48:18,800
and this is what they found is that when

1686
00:48:21,829 --> 00:48:20,079
they asked the guy

1687
00:48:23,910 --> 00:48:21,839
why did you pick up the coke the left

1688
00:48:25,589 --> 00:48:23,920
brain interpreter would immediately

1689
00:48:27,030 --> 00:48:25,599
make something up and this is what

1690
00:48:28,390 --> 00:48:27,040
people don't realize is that the left

1691
00:48:29,829 --> 00:48:28,400
brain the rational analytical brain

1692
00:48:31,430 --> 00:48:29,839
a lot of the stuff that comes out of

1693
00:48:33,030 --> 00:48:31,440
there is made up it's made up by this

1694
00:48:33,510 --> 00:48:33,040
left brain interpreter it's filling the

1695
00:48:35,589 --> 00:48:33,520
holes

1696
00:48:37,030 --> 00:48:35,599
in the world view to keep it consistent

1697
00:48:38,069 --> 00:48:37,040
and so the person would say oh i was

1698
00:48:39,270 --> 00:48:38,079
thirsty or whatever

1699
00:48:41,829 --> 00:48:39,280
and they would send these signals and

1700
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:41,839
generica said it was always wrong

1701
00:48:45,030 --> 00:48:43,920
every single time but it could pass a

1702
00:48:46,870 --> 00:48:45,040
lie detector test

1703
00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:46,880
and once the left brain interpreter made

1704
00:48:50,150 --> 00:48:48,480
a decision as to

1705
00:48:51,910 --> 00:48:50,160
bringing the worldview back to the world

1706
00:48:53,109 --> 00:48:51,920
you would believe before

1707
00:48:55,190 --> 00:48:53,119
you couldn't convince it and that's

1708
00:48:56,470 --> 00:48:55,200
where i say skepticism comes from that's

1709
00:48:57,349 --> 00:48:56,480
left brain interpreter that's the

1710
00:48:58,630 --> 00:48:57,359
skeptic saying

1711
00:48:59,990 --> 00:48:58,640
oh i'm going to find an alternate

1712
00:49:01,510 --> 00:49:00,000
explanation for this paranormal

1713
00:49:02,870 --> 00:49:01,520
phenomena that you're talking about and

1714
00:49:04,069 --> 00:49:02,880
i'm going to return it to the physical

1715
00:49:05,589 --> 00:49:04,079
world view where it's

1716
00:49:07,349 --> 00:49:05,599
random biological robots in a

1717
00:49:08,549 --> 00:49:07,359
meaningless universe and it's all nuts

1718
00:49:09,750 --> 00:49:08,559
and bolts and there's no consciousness

1719
00:49:11,270 --> 00:49:09,760
this is all nonsense

1720
00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:11,280
and then then they feel happy again

1721
00:49:14,390 --> 00:49:12,960
because the world is consistent their

1722
00:49:16,309 --> 00:49:14,400
old world view is back

1723
00:49:17,829 --> 00:49:16,319
so that's where i say when you start

1724
00:49:19,270 --> 00:49:17,839
looking at the leading edge

1725
00:49:21,190 --> 00:49:19,280
and these people who are on the leading

1726
00:49:21,829 --> 00:49:21,200
edge if you understand what they're

1727
00:49:23,349 --> 00:49:21,839
doing

1728
00:49:24,630 --> 00:49:23,359
or not even understand if you start

1729
00:49:25,829 --> 00:49:24,640
looking at what they're doing you start

1730
00:49:27,030 --> 00:49:25,839
to see patterns

1731
00:49:28,230 --> 00:49:27,040
that they're basically doing the same

1732
00:49:30,710 --> 00:49:28,240
thing because that's what happened with

1733
00:49:33,270 --> 00:49:30,720
the contact modalities i had the

1734
00:49:34,790 --> 00:49:33,280
my daydream modality where i had it and

1735
00:49:36,230 --> 00:49:34,800
so i was very interested and i started

1736
00:49:37,030 --> 00:49:36,240
to do research on downloads and i

1737
00:49:38,230 --> 00:49:37,040
suddenly realized

1738
00:49:40,230 --> 00:49:38,240
all these musicians had to have

1739
00:49:42,150 --> 00:49:40,240
downloads and i actually wrote a book

1740
00:49:43,990 --> 00:49:42,160
with no musical background on where a

1741
00:49:45,990 --> 00:49:44,000
lot of the songs come from and

1742
00:49:48,230 --> 00:49:46,000
i found it very important to keep in

1743
00:49:51,349 --> 00:49:48,240
mind this left brain right brain thing

1744
00:49:52,710 --> 00:49:51,359
that people who are very creative

1745
00:49:54,390 --> 00:49:52,720
are not the intelligent people there's

1746
00:49:55,750 --> 00:49:54,400
actually a study that was done the uh

1747
00:49:57,910 --> 00:49:55,760
here's called the turman study it was

1748
00:49:59,910 --> 00:49:57,920
the longest longitudinal study ever done

1749
00:50:01,270 --> 00:49:59,920
where they take all these kids in 1910

1750
00:50:03,270 --> 00:50:01,280
they started looking at the

1751
00:50:05,510 --> 00:50:03,280
top kids in california the highest iq

1752
00:50:07,750 --> 00:50:05,520
kids 140 iq

1753
00:50:09,349 --> 00:50:07,760
180 iq and up and they found out

1754
00:50:11,510 --> 00:50:09,359
absolutely not creative at all

1755
00:50:13,190 --> 00:50:11,520
they only had two nobel prizes and the

1756
00:50:14,710 --> 00:50:13,200
two people that won the nobel prize

1757
00:50:16,790 --> 00:50:14,720
alvarez was one of them

1758
00:50:17,990 --> 00:50:16,800
they had been rejected by the study and

1759
00:50:20,470 --> 00:50:18,000
so what you get

1760
00:50:21,589 --> 00:50:20,480
is very rational analytical people are

1761
00:50:23,030 --> 00:50:21,599
not very creative

1762
00:50:25,030 --> 00:50:23,040
the creative people are the ones you've

1763
00:50:26,309 --> 00:50:25,040
got to watch same as the experiences so

1764
00:50:26,790 --> 00:50:26,319
you see someone who's on the leading

1765
00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:26,800
edge

1766
00:50:30,870 --> 00:50:29,119
and you assume that what they're doing

1767
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:30,880
may have some truth to it and you start

1768
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:31,920
looking at and that's what i did with

1769
00:50:34,950 --> 00:50:32,880
the modalities

1770
00:50:36,390 --> 00:50:34,960
is i started to realize oh it's all the

1771
00:50:37,270 --> 00:50:36,400
same thing they're all doing basically

1772
00:50:39,430 --> 00:50:37,280
the same thing they're

1773
00:50:40,390 --> 00:50:39,440
doing this shutting down the rationale

1774
00:50:43,430 --> 00:50:40,400
left brain

1775
00:50:45,829 --> 00:50:43,440
whether it's through meditation or

1776
00:50:46,549 --> 00:50:45,839
through hypnosis or through psychedelics

1777
00:50:48,470 --> 00:50:46,559
or whatever

1778
00:50:50,390 --> 00:50:48,480
and they shut that off they make the

1779
00:50:52,069 --> 00:50:50,400
left brain interpreter and the the ego

1780
00:50:54,390 --> 00:50:52,079
and all that stuff go for coffee

1781
00:50:56,309 --> 00:50:54,400
and then we can work with the signal the

1782
00:50:58,390 --> 00:50:56,319
left brain creates a lot of signal

1783
00:50:59,750 --> 00:50:58,400
a lot of noise and you can't pick up the

1784
00:51:01,349 --> 00:50:59,760
signal so the signal is there for

1785
00:51:02,230 --> 00:51:01,359
everybody but because we're so much in

1786
00:51:03,829 --> 00:51:02,240
the physical world

1787
00:51:05,510 --> 00:51:03,839
we're so much into our ego mind and

1788
00:51:06,950 --> 00:51:05,520
we're so much into rational analytical

1789
00:51:08,710 --> 00:51:06,960
believing what we see

1790
00:51:10,470 --> 00:51:08,720
that we can't pick up the signal and so

1791
00:51:11,349 --> 00:51:10,480
all these modalities are just basically

1792
00:51:13,670 --> 00:51:11,359
ways

1793
00:51:15,589 --> 00:51:13,680
to reduce the noise so that the person

1794
00:51:17,109 --> 00:51:15,599
can pick up the signal

1795
00:51:19,270 --> 00:51:17,119
right on well let me ask you this

1796
00:51:21,990 --> 00:51:19,280
because this seems like a very

1797
00:51:23,270 --> 00:51:22,000
strange way for our brains to be

1798
00:51:25,190 --> 00:51:23,280
compiled and

1799
00:51:27,910 --> 00:51:25,200
there are those researchers who talk

1800
00:51:29,910 --> 00:51:27,920
about ancient engineering of humans the

1801
00:51:32,150 --> 00:51:29,920
ancient aliens thing that we were

1802
00:51:33,510 --> 00:51:32,160
you know engineered or spliced together

1803
00:51:35,589 --> 00:51:33,520
in some fashion

1804
00:51:36,790 --> 00:51:35,599
and it is interesting that our senses do

1805
00:51:39,589 --> 00:51:36,800
filter out

1806
00:51:41,910 --> 00:51:39,599
more than they let in almost like we

1807
00:51:42,950 --> 00:51:41,920
have limiters on our perception or on

1808
00:51:45,510 --> 00:51:42,960
our dna

1809
00:51:47,430 --> 00:51:45,520
and of course it takes great effort to

1810
00:51:48,390 --> 00:51:47,440
kind of get to those higher planes and

1811
00:51:50,790 --> 00:51:48,400
access them

1812
00:51:51,430 --> 00:51:50,800
do you think there's anything in there

1813
00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:51,440
about

1814
00:51:55,910 --> 00:51:54,240
potential genetic engineering at some

1815
00:51:58,630 --> 00:51:55,920
point in the distant past and

1816
00:52:00,390 --> 00:51:58,640
maybe that relates to why we have such a

1817
00:52:01,109 --> 00:52:00,400
hard time with this stuff or why these

1818
00:52:03,750 --> 00:52:01,119
beings

1819
00:52:06,069 --> 00:52:03,760
seem to maybe trying to be coaxing us

1820
00:52:08,069 --> 00:52:06,079
into evolving further

1821
00:52:10,470 --> 00:52:08,079
yeah that's what i believe is that they

1822
00:52:11,510 --> 00:52:10,480
are a lot of experiences you talk

1823
00:52:13,430 --> 00:52:11,520
they'll say they'll talk about the

1824
00:52:14,549 --> 00:52:13,440
two-strand the 12-strand dna and all

1825
00:52:15,430 --> 00:52:14,559
this kind of stuff that they're altering

1826
00:52:18,790 --> 00:52:15,440
our dna

1827
00:52:21,030 --> 00:52:18,800
and what you see is the altruistic thing

1828
00:52:22,390 --> 00:52:21,040
that i say whatever the phenomena is i

1829
00:52:23,829 --> 00:52:22,400
can guarantee you it's going to be a lot

1830
00:52:25,270 --> 00:52:23,839
less physical than you think it is it's

1831
00:52:26,230 --> 00:52:25,280
going to be a lot less spiritual than

1832
00:52:27,910 --> 00:52:26,240
you think it is

1833
00:52:30,069 --> 00:52:27,920
and it's not going to have a hint of

1834
00:52:30,710 --> 00:52:30,079
capitalism it's this altruistic thing

1835
00:52:33,750 --> 00:52:30,720
that they're

1836
00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:33,760
here trying to guide us along and again

1837
00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:34,960
it may not even be

1838
00:52:39,190 --> 00:52:36,720
beings i mean if you get into real

1839
00:52:40,710 --> 00:52:39,200
consciousness there is only

1840
00:52:42,549 --> 00:52:40,720
one thing there's no time there's no

1841
00:52:44,309 --> 00:52:42,559
space it's all one thing

1842
00:52:46,790 --> 00:52:44,319
we are it we are talking to our higher

1843
00:52:49,030 --> 00:52:46,800
self and we can create these sort of

1844
00:52:50,470 --> 00:52:49,040
seemingly divisional things but it's all

1845
00:52:51,670 --> 00:52:50,480
the one thing it's all connected like if

1846
00:52:54,069 --> 00:52:51,680
you do five

1847
00:52:55,910 --> 00:52:54,079
methoxy dmt you end up in this sort of

1848
00:52:56,390 --> 00:52:55,920
white world where there is no structure

1849
00:52:58,150 --> 00:52:56,400
there's

1850
00:52:59,750 --> 00:52:58,160
not none of that kind of stuff and it's

1851
00:53:01,030 --> 00:52:59,760
all one and it's all love so it all goes

1852
00:53:02,470 --> 00:53:01,040
back to the same sort of thing

1853
00:53:04,069 --> 00:53:02,480
and what you get with experiences

1854
00:53:04,549 --> 00:53:04,079
they'll tell all these stories in fact i

1855
00:53:05,510 --> 00:53:04,559
had just

1856
00:53:06,950 --> 00:53:05,520
one interview with the guy and he's

1857
00:53:09,270 --> 00:53:06,960
telling the story he says you know when

1858
00:53:11,190 --> 00:53:09,280
i was a kid i was in this room and this

1859
00:53:12,390 --> 00:53:11,200
being comes to him later on in his life

1860
00:53:14,309 --> 00:53:12,400
and she's wearing a wig

1861
00:53:15,750 --> 00:53:14,319
he said it's a being but he knows it's

1862
00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:15,760
female he can't really tell just by the

1863
00:53:18,870 --> 00:53:17,040
feeling he knows his female

1864
00:53:20,390 --> 00:53:18,880
and she's wearing this wig and then he

1865
00:53:22,470 --> 00:53:20,400
says she was the same one

1866
00:53:23,510 --> 00:53:22,480
that was on board the ship who was

1867
00:53:25,109 --> 00:53:23,520
teaching us

1868
00:53:26,630 --> 00:53:25,119
how to levitate stuff and how to move

1869
00:53:29,270 --> 00:53:26,640
stuff around with our minds

1870
00:53:30,950 --> 00:53:29,280
and i said oh yeah he said everybody

1871
00:53:32,549 --> 00:53:30,960
describes that i said yeah

1872
00:53:34,549 --> 00:53:32,559
everybody describes that so you get

1873
00:53:35,510 --> 00:53:34,559
these stories of kids they take kids

1874
00:53:36,950 --> 00:53:35,520
when they're young and the reason they

1875
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:36,960
take kids when they're young

1876
00:53:40,230 --> 00:53:38,880
is because when you're 25 years old it's

1877
00:53:42,790 --> 00:53:40,240
a total waste of time

1878
00:53:43,349 --> 00:53:42,800
your mindset is made all your biases are

1879
00:53:44,950 --> 00:53:43,359
there

1880
00:53:46,790 --> 00:53:44,960
and you'd need a big rubber boots and a

1881
00:53:47,349 --> 00:53:46,800
big shovel to dig down deep enough into

1882
00:53:49,910 --> 00:53:47,359
somebody's

1883
00:53:51,349 --> 00:53:49,920
consciousness to put an idea you pick up

1884
00:53:53,030 --> 00:53:51,359
kids when they're very young and that's

1885
00:53:55,109 --> 00:53:53,040
when they start to train these kids

1886
00:53:56,150 --> 00:53:55,119
so all experiencers people who have been

1887
00:53:58,390 --> 00:53:56,160
on the ship

1888
00:53:59,910 --> 00:53:58,400
they don't get taken at 25 if you you

1889
00:54:01,270 --> 00:53:59,920
say to them you know when did you have

1890
00:54:02,470 --> 00:54:01,280
your first experience and when you start

1891
00:54:04,390 --> 00:54:02,480
to regress them you find out they were

1892
00:54:06,069 --> 00:54:04,400
taken when they were like two years old

1893
00:54:07,510 --> 00:54:06,079
you know three years old and they're

1894
00:54:08,230 --> 00:54:07,520
called lifers it goes through their

1895
00:54:09,430 --> 00:54:08,240
whole life

1896
00:54:11,349 --> 00:54:09,440
and you need to get them before their

1897
00:54:13,030 --> 00:54:11,359
their mindset comes in

1898
00:54:14,870 --> 00:54:13,040
so i don't know if that answers your

1899
00:54:15,670 --> 00:54:14,880
question but they're coming in and

1900
00:54:17,349 --> 00:54:15,680
they're helping

1901
00:54:19,190 --> 00:54:17,359
do a lot of stuff they're moving it but

1902
00:54:20,309 --> 00:54:19,200
i again i don't think it's just aliens i

1903
00:54:21,190 --> 00:54:20,319
think because i went across the

1904
00:54:22,710 --> 00:54:21,200
modalities

1905
00:54:24,630 --> 00:54:22,720
and you get the same sort of thing that

1906
00:54:25,750 --> 00:54:24,640
people are like with the physical

1907
00:54:27,670 --> 00:54:25,760
science which i think is a very

1908
00:54:30,390 --> 00:54:27,680
important thing for people to study

1909
00:54:30,710 --> 00:54:30,400
where you get people like tesla is a big

1910
00:54:33,109 --> 00:54:30,720
one

1911
00:54:34,630 --> 00:54:33,119
comes in a lot of physical experience

1912
00:54:35,109 --> 00:54:34,640
seance things where they're trying to

1913
00:54:37,589 --> 00:54:35,119
help us

1914
00:54:38,870 --> 00:54:37,599
develop stuff they're giving us ideas

1915
00:54:40,870 --> 00:54:38,880
they're on the other side

1916
00:54:43,190 --> 00:54:40,880
trying to help us so i don't think it's

1917
00:54:44,870 --> 00:54:43,200
just an et thing i think

1918
00:54:46,870 --> 00:54:44,880
may even be our higher self that we can

1919
00:54:48,390 --> 00:54:46,880
get in the field it's all our higher

1920
00:54:49,910 --> 00:54:48,400
self it's all the one thing that we're

1921
00:54:51,270 --> 00:54:49,920
part of the one the spark of the divine

1922
00:54:53,670 --> 00:54:51,280
or whatever we want to call it

1923
00:54:55,990 --> 00:54:53,680
and that it's all moving and you need

1924
00:54:56,789 --> 00:54:56,000
the left brain you need that physical

1925
00:54:58,390 --> 00:54:56,799
thing because you're not going to

1926
00:54:59,109 --> 00:54:58,400
survive in the physical world without it

1927
00:55:01,670 --> 00:54:59,119
so it

1928
00:55:02,789 --> 00:55:01,680
has this necessary component that you

1929
00:55:03,990 --> 00:55:02,799
know you need to say

1930
00:55:05,990 --> 00:55:04,000
oh there may be something around the

1931
00:55:08,230 --> 00:55:06,000
next corner the fear the all the stuff

1932
00:55:09,030 --> 00:55:08,240
that the left brain brings into you and

1933
00:55:11,349 --> 00:55:09,040
to

1934
00:55:13,430 --> 00:55:11,359
analyze things and stuff like that but

1935
00:55:16,470 --> 00:55:13,440
we're sort of at the point now where

1936
00:55:20,069 --> 00:55:16,480
the analysis is sort of overrun

1937
00:55:22,710 --> 00:55:20,079
gaia and it's become so left brain

1938
00:55:23,349 --> 00:55:22,720
the world that we're sort of maybe on

1939
00:55:24,789 --> 00:55:23,359
the verge of

1940
00:55:26,069 --> 00:55:24,799
actually destroying ourselves and that

1941
00:55:27,430 --> 00:55:26,079
we've got to balance it out with the

1942
00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:27,440
female right brain

1943
00:55:30,870 --> 00:55:29,040
which looks more at the one that

1944
00:55:32,390 --> 00:55:30,880
whatever you do to the planet

1945
00:55:34,069 --> 00:55:32,400
you do to everybody else we didn't

1946
00:55:35,990 --> 00:55:34,079
believe that even ecology

1947
00:55:37,349 --> 00:55:36,000
doesn't go back a hundred years the idea

1948
00:55:39,190 --> 00:55:37,359
of ecology that we can

1949
00:55:41,109 --> 00:55:39,200
before it was the biblical thing was you

1950
00:55:43,030 --> 00:55:41,119
know take things and use them

1951
00:55:44,789 --> 00:55:43,040
you are the the masters of this kind of

1952
00:55:46,309 --> 00:55:44,799
stuff and so we were sort of using it up

1953
00:55:48,309 --> 00:55:46,319
so this idea has been

1954
00:55:49,750 --> 00:55:48,319
whether it's the field that has brought

1955
00:55:51,270 --> 00:55:49,760
this across this ecology

1956
00:55:53,190 --> 00:55:51,280
idea and what you'll find with

1957
00:55:55,990 --> 00:55:53,200
experiences a lot of experiencers

1958
00:55:56,390 --> 00:55:56,000
are big time environmentalists or

1959
00:55:59,109 --> 00:55:56,400
they're

1960
00:56:00,230 --> 00:55:59,119
animal rights activists it's almost i

1961
00:56:01,270 --> 00:56:00,240
don't know what the percentage should be

1962
00:56:03,990 --> 00:56:01,280
very very high

1963
00:56:05,750 --> 00:56:04,000
a number of experiencers who are

1964
00:56:07,349 --> 00:56:05,760
vegetarians is very high

1965
00:56:09,510 --> 00:56:07,359
a number of experiencers who had

1966
00:56:11,190 --> 00:56:09,520
near-death experiences 37

1967
00:56:12,710 --> 00:56:11,200
that's almost eight times the national

1968
00:56:14,630 --> 00:56:12,720
average or

1969
00:56:15,829 --> 00:56:14,640
experiencers who will describe exactly

1970
00:56:17,190 --> 00:56:15,839
what's described in near-death

1971
00:56:18,870 --> 00:56:17,200
experience there's a very close

1972
00:56:20,870 --> 00:56:18,880
correlation between near-death

1973
00:56:24,309 --> 00:56:20,880
experiences and the ufo phenomena

1974
00:56:27,750 --> 00:56:24,319
that ufo people will describe

1975
00:56:29,510 --> 00:56:27,760
being in the field and forty percent of

1976
00:56:31,270 --> 00:56:29,520
all ufo experiences will say at one

1977
00:56:32,470 --> 00:56:31,280
point during their experience

1978
00:56:34,470 --> 00:56:32,480
they knew the answer to everything in

1979
00:56:35,829 --> 00:56:34,480
the universe and people who have had the

1980
00:56:36,390 --> 00:56:35,839
near-death experience will say the same

1981
00:56:39,510 --> 00:56:36,400
thing

1982
00:56:42,309 --> 00:56:39,520
or people who have our experiencers 50

1983
00:56:43,109 --> 00:56:42,319
of them will say they were healed by the

1984
00:56:44,470 --> 00:56:43,119
phenomena

1985
00:56:46,390 --> 00:56:44,480
either they or somebody in their family

1986
00:56:47,829 --> 00:56:46,400
was healed and 50 of them

1987
00:56:50,230 --> 00:56:47,839
can heal people they claim that now they

1988
00:56:52,230 --> 00:56:50,240
can heal people near-death experiences

1989
00:56:53,750 --> 00:56:52,240
goes from an average of eight percent in

1990
00:56:54,549 --> 00:56:53,760
the average population that say they can

1991
00:56:55,990 --> 00:56:54,559
heal people

1992
00:56:57,670 --> 00:56:56,000
people who've had near-death experiences

1993
00:56:58,950 --> 00:56:57,680
it's 70 percent of people who've had

1994
00:56:59,829 --> 00:56:58,960
near earth experiences claim they can

1995
00:57:02,150 --> 00:56:59,839
heal other people

1996
00:57:04,470 --> 00:57:02,160
so you see these correlations and that's

1997
00:57:05,430 --> 00:57:04,480
why i think it's all basically the same

1998
00:57:06,870 --> 00:57:05,440
thing it's just

1999
00:57:08,870 --> 00:57:06,880
almost like bashar if you're familiar

2000
00:57:10,789 --> 00:57:08,880
with the famous alien channeler

2001
00:57:12,470 --> 00:57:10,799
he says it's all just permission slips

2002
00:57:12,789 --> 00:57:12,480
whatever you think works for you go for

2003
00:57:18,390 --> 00:57:12,799
it

2004
00:57:20,549 --> 00:57:18,400
and you can shut off the left brain then

2005
00:57:21,190 --> 00:57:20,559
you can do it but i believe everybody's

2006
00:57:22,390 --> 00:57:21,200
basically

2007
00:57:23,990 --> 00:57:22,400
doing the same thing it's just a

2008
00:57:25,829 --> 00:57:24,000
different especially if you go to the

2009
00:57:26,150 --> 00:57:25,839
fact that everything is consciousness

2010
00:57:27,750 --> 00:57:26,160
then

2011
00:57:30,309 --> 00:57:27,760
it's all goes back to this consciousness

2012
00:57:32,390 --> 00:57:30,319
thing and it's you get in touch with it

2013
00:57:33,349 --> 00:57:32,400
and all the answers are in the field you

2014
00:57:34,630 --> 00:57:33,359
have all these

2015
00:57:37,030 --> 00:57:34,640
dead people who are trying to help

2016
00:57:39,190 --> 00:57:37,040
through physical mediumship stuff

2017
00:57:40,710 --> 00:57:39,200
and even when you get on the one

2018
00:57:42,549 --> 00:57:40,720
experiencer told me

2019
00:57:44,309 --> 00:57:42,559
she was on board the ship and you you

2020
00:57:44,870 --> 00:57:44,319
got this connection with death on board

2021
00:57:46,549 --> 00:57:44,880
the ship

2022
00:57:48,710 --> 00:57:46,559
where people's dead relatives are

2023
00:57:50,470 --> 00:57:48,720
brought on to talk to them or their dead

2024
00:57:51,829 --> 00:57:50,480
dog is on the ship and stuff like that

2025
00:57:52,150 --> 00:57:51,839
and they're usually not very happy about

2026
00:57:54,390 --> 00:57:52,160
it

2027
00:57:56,549 --> 00:57:54,400
and the one woman is sherry wilde who

2028
00:57:57,829 --> 00:57:56,559
they're about to do a movie on her

2029
00:57:59,430 --> 00:57:57,839
she talks about being on the ship and

2030
00:58:00,789 --> 00:57:59,440
albert einstein was on there and albert

2031
00:58:02,710 --> 00:58:00,799
schweitzer was on there

2032
00:58:04,069 --> 00:58:02,720
and who was the third one tesla was on

2033
00:58:04,390 --> 00:58:04,079
there and there was the girl in world

2034
00:58:06,230 --> 00:58:04,400
war

2035
00:58:08,390 --> 00:58:06,240
ii who wrote the book the jewish girl

2036
00:58:10,630 --> 00:58:08,400
who was wrote this famous book

2037
00:58:12,069 --> 00:58:10,640
took me frank yeah anne frank was on

2038
00:58:13,270 --> 00:58:12,079
board and i said to her

2039
00:58:14,870 --> 00:58:13,280
and this is the whole thing about this

2040
00:58:15,430 --> 00:58:14,880
is it consciousness or is it physical so

2041
00:58:17,349 --> 00:58:15,440
i said

2042
00:58:18,549 --> 00:58:17,359
sherry let me ask you a question you saw

2043
00:58:20,150 --> 00:58:18,559
these people on board the ship when you

2044
00:58:21,990 --> 00:58:20,160
were 15 years old she said yeah

2045
00:58:23,910 --> 00:58:22,000
i said can i ask you did they look

2046
00:58:24,230 --> 00:58:23,920
physical just i know you're going with

2047
00:58:26,069 --> 00:58:24,240
this

2048
00:58:27,670 --> 00:58:26,079
so let me tell you what it may have been

2049
00:58:28,549 --> 00:58:27,680
a real good hologram but they sure look

2050
00:58:30,789 --> 00:58:28,559
physical to me

2051
00:58:31,589 --> 00:58:30,799
and so you get these crossovers that are

2052
00:58:33,190 --> 00:58:31,599
so

2053
00:58:34,630 --> 00:58:33,200
bizarre but it's and that's what i'm

2054
00:58:36,069 --> 00:58:34,640
trying to do now is put all the

2055
00:58:37,829 --> 00:58:36,079
connections together because

2056
00:58:39,750 --> 00:58:37,839
people get almost into one field that's

2057
00:58:42,309 --> 00:58:39,760
where it has to be interdisciplinary

2058
00:58:43,349 --> 00:58:42,319
so somebody may get into say lsd is the

2059
00:58:45,109 --> 00:58:43,359
thing and they become like

2060
00:58:46,150 --> 00:58:45,119
the lsd religion and that's all they're

2061
00:58:47,829 --> 00:58:46,160
studying and they don't realize the

2062
00:58:48,390 --> 00:58:47,839
correlations between other types of

2063
00:58:51,270 --> 00:58:48,400
things

2064
00:58:51,910 --> 00:58:51,280
and so i try to stay as wide as i can in

2065
00:58:53,910 --> 00:58:51,920
looking at

2066
00:58:55,589 --> 00:58:53,920
all the paranormal phenomena and trying

2067
00:58:57,349 --> 00:58:55,599
to find these sort of the similarities

2068
00:58:59,270 --> 00:58:57,359
and that's what i find they're all very

2069
00:59:00,630 --> 00:58:59,280
similar they just are sort of like

2070
00:59:02,309 --> 00:59:00,640
different names to them and

2071
00:59:04,150 --> 00:59:02,319
people sort of turn them into religions

2072
00:59:05,270 --> 00:59:04,160
and i think you've got to stay really

2073
00:59:06,789 --> 00:59:05,280
wide with this stuff

2074
00:59:09,349 --> 00:59:06,799
and then the answers are pretty clear

2075
00:59:10,470 --> 00:59:09,359
that we are getting help from the other

2076
00:59:12,789 --> 00:59:10,480
side whether it's

2077
00:59:14,309 --> 00:59:12,799
spirits or dead people and you'll get

2078
00:59:15,670 --> 00:59:14,319
this people describing you know where

2079
00:59:17,190 --> 00:59:15,680
they're about to go in a car accident

2080
00:59:19,750 --> 00:59:17,200
and suddenly they hear their dead

2081
00:59:21,750 --> 00:59:19,760
father or brother or husband or wife

2082
00:59:23,910 --> 00:59:21,760
give them a warning and stuff like that

2083
00:59:25,670 --> 00:59:23,920
and that's the thing is it's a bizarre

2084
00:59:26,150 --> 00:59:25,680
world but it is teaching us what reality

2085
00:59:28,230 --> 00:59:26,160
is about

2086
00:59:29,990 --> 00:59:28,240
and that's my bottom line i'm really not

2087
00:59:30,789 --> 00:59:30,000
interested in being able to do this kind

2088
00:59:33,829 --> 00:59:30,799
of stuff

2089
00:59:35,349 --> 00:59:33,839
i'm not interested in seeing ufos or you

2090
00:59:37,589 --> 00:59:35,359
know even physical mediumship i

2091
00:59:39,030 --> 00:59:37,599
said to kyle muga who was one of the top

2092
00:59:40,710 --> 00:59:39,040
physical medium in germany

2093
00:59:42,150 --> 00:59:40,720
i said well i'll come down and attend

2094
00:59:43,430 --> 00:59:42,160
your sales and

2095
00:59:45,510 --> 00:59:43,440
to watch and he said no you're not

2096
00:59:46,950 --> 00:59:45,520
coming to watch you're coming to be part

2097
00:59:47,910 --> 00:59:46,960
of it and this is the thing i'm not

2098
00:59:49,510 --> 00:59:47,920
really interested i'm

2099
00:59:51,030 --> 00:59:49,520
more interested to me it's always been

2100
00:59:52,549 --> 00:59:51,040
like a chess game that i was very good

2101
00:59:52,870 --> 00:59:52,559
as a kid playing chess when i was very

2102
00:59:54,630 --> 00:59:52,880
young

2103
00:59:55,829 --> 00:59:54,640
i was actually in elementary i was

2104
00:59:56,950 --> 00:59:55,839
playing in the high school and to me

2105
00:59:59,030 --> 00:59:56,960
it's like a chess game

2106
01:00:01,270 --> 00:59:59,040
it's like ultimate reality how does this

2107
01:00:02,789 --> 01:00:01,280
fit in put the pieces together

2108
01:00:04,390 --> 01:00:02,799
and basically trust that people are

2109
01:00:06,470 --> 01:00:04,400
telling the truth which i think is

2110
01:00:07,829 --> 01:00:06,480
basically the bottom line that people

2111
01:00:09,430 --> 01:00:07,839
are describing

2112
01:00:10,950 --> 01:00:09,440
what they are experiencing and they may

2113
01:00:12,069 --> 01:00:10,960
have it all messed up in terms of their

2114
01:00:13,430 --> 01:00:12,079
belief systems

2115
01:00:14,870 --> 01:00:13,440
but you start seeing these real

2116
01:00:15,910 --> 01:00:14,880
correlations and i think they do

2117
01:00:17,589 --> 01:00:15,920
describe to you

2118
01:00:19,270 --> 01:00:17,599
what ultimate reality is and how it

2119
01:00:21,270 --> 01:00:19,280
works

2120
01:00:23,589 --> 01:00:21,280
that's a great summary and i do love

2121
01:00:24,549 --> 01:00:23,599
that data the survey data of the

2122
01:00:26,549 --> 01:00:24,559
experiencers

2123
01:00:28,950 --> 01:00:26,559
and what we can glean from that and it

2124
01:00:29,750 --> 01:00:28,960
is important to stay wide in looking at

2125
01:00:31,670 --> 01:00:29,760
this thing

2126
01:00:32,789 --> 01:00:31,680
and not drawing a ton of conclusions and

2127
01:00:33,670 --> 01:00:32,799
i also agree with you that at the

2128
01:00:35,589 --> 01:00:33,680
highest level

2129
01:00:36,710 --> 01:00:35,599
yes it is all consciousness i've had

2130
01:00:39,670 --> 01:00:36,720
experiences that

2131
01:00:41,750 --> 01:00:39,680
crack that open but if you're being

2132
01:00:43,670 --> 01:00:41,760
eaten by a tiger or tortured in a

2133
01:00:45,910 --> 01:00:43,680
basement or having your

2134
01:00:47,190 --> 01:00:45,920
semen extracted on a spaceship it's

2135
01:00:49,910 --> 01:00:47,200
gonna feel very

2136
01:00:50,230 --> 01:00:49,920
separate and i don't know how useful

2137
01:00:52,789 --> 01:00:50,240
that

2138
01:00:53,910 --> 01:00:52,799
it's all one higher understanding is in

2139
01:00:56,230 --> 01:00:53,920
those moments and

2140
01:00:57,270 --> 01:00:56,240
being should be able to be as negative

2141
01:00:59,349 --> 01:00:57,280
as people

2142
01:01:00,710 --> 01:00:59,359
in the game we're playing on this level

2143
01:01:01,750 --> 01:01:00,720
right they could have nefarious

2144
01:01:03,910 --> 01:01:01,760
intentions i know

2145
01:01:06,150 --> 01:01:03,920
ultimately it's all consciousness but on

2146
01:01:08,069 --> 01:01:06,160
this level of the game we play where we

2147
01:01:09,190 --> 01:01:08,079
pretend that it isn't or we're not aware

2148
01:01:10,789 --> 01:01:09,200
of it

2149
01:01:12,630 --> 01:01:10,799
what do you think the intentions of some

2150
01:01:13,990 --> 01:01:12,640
of these beings are

2151
01:01:15,670 --> 01:01:14,000
well that's where i differ from

2152
01:01:16,390 --> 01:01:15,680
everybody i say there's no good and evil

2153
01:01:20,309 --> 01:01:16,400
it's all

2154
01:01:22,630 --> 01:01:20,319
stuff so

2155
01:01:23,990 --> 01:01:22,640
i'll give you two examples so one is the

2156
01:01:26,470 --> 01:01:24,000
abduction experience some people say

2157
01:01:28,150 --> 01:01:26,480
ah these uh you know we're victims this

2158
01:01:29,109 --> 01:01:28,160
is terrible they're taking us on board

2159
01:01:31,270 --> 01:01:29,119
the ship

2160
01:01:33,270 --> 01:01:31,280
you take the free survey which looks at

2161
01:01:33,990 --> 01:01:33,280
3 000 experiences and you see that only

2162
01:01:35,750 --> 01:01:34,000
9

2163
01:01:37,190 --> 01:01:35,760
believe that the aliens that they

2164
01:01:40,069 --> 01:01:37,200
encountered were actually evil

2165
01:01:41,670 --> 01:01:40,079
and ray hernandez was running this study

2166
01:01:43,589 --> 01:01:41,680
went back to them and said

2167
01:01:44,950 --> 01:01:43,599
so why do you think they're evil he said

2168
01:01:46,390 --> 01:01:44,960
because they scared the daylights out of

2169
01:01:47,510 --> 01:01:46,400
me it was an eight-foot reptilian

2170
01:01:50,549 --> 01:01:47,520
standing in my bedroom

2171
01:01:51,990 --> 01:01:50,559
and he said that's it that's it and i

2172
01:01:54,230 --> 01:01:52,000
asked a lot of people so there's a lot

2173
01:01:55,750 --> 01:01:54,240
of people do regression so i asked

2174
01:01:57,589 --> 01:01:55,760
like mary rodriguez done 3 000

2175
01:01:58,789 --> 01:01:57,599
regressions of ufo experiences i said

2176
01:02:00,950 --> 01:01:58,799
mary

2177
01:02:01,829 --> 01:02:00,960
if you regress all these people back to

2178
01:02:03,510 --> 01:02:01,839
birth

2179
01:02:04,630 --> 01:02:03,520
and you ask them at any point in the

2180
01:02:05,270 --> 01:02:04,640
past did you agree to be in this

2181
01:02:07,109 --> 01:02:05,280
situation

2182
01:02:08,789 --> 01:02:07,119
how many people would answer yes she

2183
01:02:10,950 --> 01:02:08,799
said 100

2184
01:02:13,190 --> 01:02:10,960
and so i asked kathy martin kathy martin

2185
01:02:15,109 --> 01:02:13,200
is the niece of betty and barney hill

2186
01:02:17,109 --> 01:02:15,119
so i said to her i said kathy what do

2187
01:02:19,109 --> 01:02:17,119
you say about this soul contract thing

2188
01:02:20,710 --> 01:02:19,119
that basically we agree to everything

2189
01:02:22,230 --> 01:02:20,720
that's coming in here and she said i

2190
01:02:23,670 --> 01:02:22,240
always thought about that she said so i

2191
01:02:25,430 --> 01:02:23,680
actually had myself progressed

2192
01:02:27,029 --> 01:02:25,440
and i actually heard myself the voice

2193
01:02:29,190 --> 01:02:27,039
come out of my mouth and said

2194
01:02:30,789 --> 01:02:29,200
i agree to this and the other thing that

2195
01:02:32,069 --> 01:02:30,799
i said i had four major events one of

2196
01:02:34,390 --> 01:02:32,079
the major events i had

2197
01:02:36,309 --> 01:02:34,400
was watching dr michael newton and i

2198
01:02:38,630 --> 01:02:36,319
have always been blown away by mike

2199
01:02:40,309 --> 01:02:38,640
newton he's got 7000 regressions he

2200
01:02:42,309 --> 01:02:40,319
invented the life between life

2201
01:02:43,349 --> 01:02:42,319
whole thing there's now 35 000

2202
01:02:44,789 --> 01:02:43,359
regressions and

2203
01:02:46,470 --> 01:02:44,799
everybody says the same thing in these

2204
01:02:48,150 --> 01:02:46,480
regressions it's you can just it's like

2205
01:02:50,549 --> 01:02:48,160
a playbook you can go through there

2206
01:02:52,309 --> 01:02:50,559
and this is the whole thing where one of

2207
01:02:55,029 --> 01:02:52,319
the documentaries was being done

2208
01:02:56,789 --> 01:02:55,039
there's girls in auschwitz and the guys

2209
01:02:59,750 --> 01:02:56,799
filming it and then she said

2210
01:03:01,430 --> 01:02:59,760
oh this thing about the agreement to be

2211
01:03:02,789 --> 01:03:01,440
in this situation and he said that's the

2212
01:03:03,349 --> 01:03:02,799
most inappropriate thing i ever heard in

2213
01:03:05,190 --> 01:03:03,359
my life

2214
01:03:07,270 --> 01:03:05,200
but newton is big on this this whole

2215
01:03:08,789 --> 01:03:07,280
idea that when you get down to it it's

2216
01:03:11,270 --> 01:03:08,799
all experience and that you learn

2217
01:03:13,190 --> 01:03:11,280
from whatever the experience is and it's

2218
01:03:14,789 --> 01:03:13,200
this idea that everything is experience

2219
01:03:15,349 --> 01:03:14,799
and we like to play the victim we like

2220
01:03:16,950 --> 01:03:15,359
to say

2221
01:03:18,870 --> 01:03:16,960
you know we're the good guys and there's

2222
01:03:20,150 --> 01:03:18,880
bad aliens and there's bad russians and

2223
01:03:22,069 --> 01:03:20,160
there's bad chinese

2224
01:03:23,349 --> 01:03:22,079
and all we're doing is changing the noun

2225
01:03:25,109 --> 01:03:23,359
usually it's like it used to be the

2226
01:03:25,670 --> 01:03:25,119
japanese or the bad guys and we dropped

2227
01:03:27,430 --> 01:03:25,680
two

2228
01:03:29,029 --> 01:03:27,440
atomic bombs so we can say people will

2229
01:03:30,710 --> 01:03:29,039
say to me oh the aliens like they're

2230
01:03:32,549 --> 01:03:30,720
abducting people they're evil and i say

2231
01:03:34,150 --> 01:03:32,559
let me tell you what when they drop the

2232
01:03:35,670 --> 01:03:34,160
first atomic bomb

2233
01:03:38,390 --> 01:03:35,680
and melt a hundred thousand people into

2234
01:03:41,670 --> 01:03:38,400
the sidewalk or if they firebomb

2235
01:03:45,029 --> 01:03:41,680
japan kill and cremate 80 000 people

2236
01:03:45,430 --> 01:03:45,039
in two nights alive give me the alien

2237
01:03:48,710 --> 01:03:45,440
ali

2238
01:03:50,549 --> 01:03:48,720
sign it until then

2239
01:03:51,829 --> 01:03:50,559
we have met the enemy and he is us we

2240
01:03:52,470 --> 01:03:51,839
are the enemy we are the ones that

2241
01:03:54,789 --> 01:03:52,480
manifest

2242
01:03:56,390 --> 01:03:54,799
and i say that all that is evil in the

2243
01:03:57,349 --> 01:03:56,400
world and i've maintained i've never

2244
01:03:59,109 --> 01:03:57,359
seen any exception

2245
01:04:01,190 --> 01:03:59,119
all that is evil in the world is the

2246
01:04:03,510 --> 01:04:01,200
mistaken belief in separation

2247
01:04:04,549 --> 01:04:03,520
when you believe when i believe that you

2248
01:04:06,390 --> 01:04:04,559
are different from me

2249
01:04:07,910 --> 01:04:06,400
and i am better than you and you are my

2250
01:04:08,630 --> 01:04:07,920
problem then i have the right to steal

2251
01:04:09,990 --> 01:04:08,640
your stuff

2252
01:04:11,910 --> 01:04:10,000
and i have a right to kill you and i

2253
01:04:13,190 --> 01:04:11,920
have a right to get you as the enemy and

2254
01:04:14,630 --> 01:04:13,200
all we're doing is changing now so it

2255
01:04:15,829 --> 01:04:14,640
used to be the japanese and then it was

2256
01:04:17,510 --> 01:04:15,839
the north vietnamese and they were the

2257
01:04:18,309 --> 01:04:17,520
bad guys and the only good [\h__\h] was a

2258
01:04:19,670 --> 01:04:18,319
dead [\h__\h]

2259
01:04:21,270 --> 01:04:19,680
and we were dropping bombs and we're

2260
01:04:22,390 --> 01:04:21,280
gonna drop atomic bombs and wipe them

2261
01:04:23,750 --> 01:04:22,400
out and stuff like that

2262
01:04:25,109 --> 01:04:23,760
and now the suddenly they started making

2263
01:04:25,990 --> 01:04:25,119
nike runners now they're good they're

2264
01:04:27,270 --> 01:04:26,000
our friends and it's like

2265
01:04:29,109 --> 01:04:27,280
what happened to the evil did it

2266
01:04:31,990 --> 01:04:29,119
evaporate and so i say

2267
01:04:32,789 --> 01:04:32,000
it's this mistaken belief in separation

2268
01:04:35,190 --> 01:04:32,799
that causes

2269
01:04:36,309 --> 01:04:35,200
all evil and it's if you believe that

2270
01:04:39,029 --> 01:04:36,319
everything is one

2271
01:04:39,589 --> 01:04:39,039
then doing anything to anybody that is

2272
01:04:41,109 --> 01:04:39,599
bad

2273
01:04:42,789 --> 01:04:41,119
is like taking a hammer and smashing

2274
01:04:45,029 --> 01:04:42,799
your thumb it doesn't make any sense

2275
01:04:46,470 --> 01:04:45,039
but people don't believe theoretically

2276
01:04:47,990 --> 01:04:46,480
they say oh yeah we're all one

2277
01:04:49,270 --> 01:04:48,000
but yeah there's still separation and

2278
01:04:51,349 --> 01:04:49,280
there's evil guys and we need to kill

2279
01:04:53,109 --> 01:04:51,359
these guys

2280
01:04:55,109 --> 01:04:53,119
well i think that's a reasonable

2281
01:04:56,630 --> 01:04:55,119
response and a good example to

2282
01:04:59,750 --> 01:04:56,640
illustrate it

2283
01:05:02,150 --> 01:04:59,760
and so we started this

2284
01:05:02,950 --> 01:05:02,160
talking about what these people have

2285
01:05:05,910 --> 01:05:02,960
found the

2286
01:05:07,670 --> 01:05:05,920
meta materials but also the bodies and

2287
01:05:09,670 --> 01:05:07,680
then later we talked about how

2288
01:05:12,309 --> 01:05:09,680
they're not physical because people are

2289
01:05:13,109 --> 01:05:12,319
seeing things as cat people or mantids

2290
01:05:15,510 --> 01:05:13,119
or grays

2291
01:05:17,670 --> 01:05:15,520
well what about those bodies i mean

2292
01:05:19,589 --> 01:05:17,680
didn't kit green famously say that he

2293
01:05:21,829 --> 01:05:19,599
couldn't get briefed into the

2294
01:05:23,829 --> 01:05:21,839
alien autopsy program there's some kind

2295
01:05:25,589 --> 01:05:23,839
of bodies out there aren't there

2296
01:05:26,950 --> 01:05:25,599
okay so the bodies yeah they're our

2297
01:05:28,710 --> 01:05:26,960
bodies that's the whole idea that's the

2298
01:05:30,390 --> 01:05:28,720
same thing as a ports

2299
01:05:31,990 --> 01:05:30,400
they come out of the spirit world and

2300
01:05:34,390 --> 01:05:32,000
they drop these supports

2301
01:05:35,510 --> 01:05:34,400
into our world so i would say the bodies

2302
01:05:36,870 --> 01:05:35,520
are like a porch

2303
01:05:37,910 --> 01:05:36,880
for example if you're into the fear

2304
01:05:39,510 --> 01:05:37,920
thing when when you're talking to

2305
01:05:41,829 --> 01:05:39,520
somebody abduction you're gonna say

2306
01:05:43,910 --> 01:05:41,839
uh did they scare you uh did they probe

2307
01:05:45,829 --> 01:05:43,920
you did it hurt were you really scared

2308
01:05:48,230 --> 01:05:45,839
when i get somebody on board and they're

2309
01:05:49,829 --> 01:05:48,240
talking i say let me ask you a question

2310
01:05:52,390 --> 01:05:49,839
did the alien have any clothes on and

2311
01:05:54,710 --> 01:05:52,400
they go no i said me asking

2312
01:05:55,829 --> 01:05:54,720
they have any sex organs they go no

2313
01:05:56,549 --> 01:05:55,839
thinking about no they didn't have any

2314
01:05:57,510 --> 01:05:56,559
sex organs

2315
01:05:59,029 --> 01:05:57,520
and i said don't you think that's kind

2316
01:06:00,309 --> 01:05:59,039
of strange and you go yeah it's kind of

2317
01:06:01,589 --> 01:06:00,319
strange and i say they have a belly

2318
01:06:03,270 --> 01:06:01,599
button no it doesn't really but

2319
01:06:04,710 --> 01:06:03,280
they have nipples no and then the big

2320
01:06:06,710 --> 01:06:04,720
one i always say is

2321
01:06:07,990 --> 01:06:06,720
did the alien ever get any older and i

2322
01:06:09,990 --> 01:06:08,000
have betty andres and he's one of the

2323
01:06:11,829 --> 01:06:10,000
most famous 1946 her and her husband

2324
01:06:13,029 --> 01:06:11,839
both had their first experience in 1946

2325
01:06:14,470 --> 01:06:13,039
so i asked them

2326
01:06:15,829 --> 01:06:14,480
you were in 1946 you're a little

2327
01:06:17,750 --> 01:06:15,839
six-year-old girl or whatever now you're

2328
01:06:19,349 --> 01:06:17,760
like 80 years old

2329
01:06:20,870 --> 01:06:19,359
you changed this whole thing did the

2330
01:06:21,589 --> 01:06:20,880
alien ever get any older and the husband

2331
01:06:23,510 --> 01:06:21,599
said

2332
01:06:25,109 --> 01:06:23,520
no never got any older but aliens of a

2333
01:06:26,549 --> 01:06:25,119
long time and we start making these

2334
01:06:28,150 --> 01:06:26,559
excuses and that's the whole thing

2335
01:06:29,910 --> 01:06:28,160
the aliens when you start asking the

2336
01:06:30,710 --> 01:06:29,920
alien is always the same it's always and

2337
01:06:32,789 --> 01:06:30,720
that's the whole thing

2338
01:06:34,789 --> 01:06:32,799
if it's an actual physical biological

2339
01:06:37,029 --> 01:06:34,799
being it should age it doesn't age

2340
01:06:37,910 --> 01:06:37,039
the hybrids seem to age but the beings

2341
01:06:39,589 --> 01:06:37,920
themselves

2342
01:06:40,870 --> 01:06:39,599
don't seem to age and you see all these

2343
01:06:41,750 --> 01:06:40,880
bizarre things they don't have sex

2344
01:06:44,470 --> 01:06:41,760
organs

2345
01:06:46,309 --> 01:06:44,480
nobody ever sees them eating or sleeping

2346
01:06:47,750 --> 01:06:46,319
so the bodies are like a port so yeah

2347
01:06:49,190 --> 01:06:47,760
when they're in the physical world

2348
01:06:50,950 --> 01:06:49,200
and it's even the thing there's a guy by

2349
01:06:51,670 --> 01:06:50,960
the name of they call him tyler d i know

2350
01:06:53,510 --> 01:06:51,680
his real name but

2351
01:06:55,829 --> 01:06:53,520
he's a nassau guy who's probably the

2352
01:06:57,510 --> 01:06:55,839
leading expert on ufos inside nasa

2353
01:06:58,950 --> 01:06:57,520
and he's written in a book called

2354
01:06:59,990 --> 01:06:58,960
american cosmic you haven't read it you

2355
01:07:02,309 --> 01:07:00,000
got to read it because kit

2356
01:07:03,750 --> 01:07:02,319
green says if he were to take off the

2357
01:07:04,390 --> 01:07:03,760
first couple chapters last couple of

2358
01:07:05,829 --> 01:07:04,400
chapters

2359
01:07:08,309 --> 01:07:05,839
that's what kit green is thinking it's

2360
01:07:09,670 --> 01:07:08,319
written by uh that's

2361
01:07:11,910 --> 01:07:09,680
yeah i've interviewed her and i was

2362
01:07:14,630 --> 01:07:11,920
wondering who those uh those uh

2363
01:07:15,589 --> 01:07:14,640
secret sources were yeah i know i've had

2364
01:07:18,390 --> 01:07:15,599
a conversation with

2365
01:07:19,990 --> 01:07:18,400
tyler and so you remember the story it

2366
01:07:21,430 --> 01:07:20,000
was actually my friend who took tyler to

2367
01:07:23,029 --> 01:07:21,440
that site in new mexico

2368
01:07:24,470 --> 01:07:23,039
and showed him this medal and he became

2369
01:07:27,190 --> 01:07:24,480
obsessed with it so he takes

2370
01:07:28,630 --> 01:07:27,200
diane pasalka and he takes actually took

2371
01:07:30,150 --> 01:07:28,640
gary nolan was the other guy he took to

2372
01:07:31,109 --> 01:07:30,160
the site he blindfolds him when he goes

2373
01:07:32,710 --> 01:07:31,119
to the site

2374
01:07:34,390 --> 01:07:32,720
now when they start talking if you look

2375
01:07:35,190 --> 01:07:34,400
in the book they call it the gifting

2376
01:07:37,270 --> 01:07:35,200
field

2377
01:07:38,390 --> 01:07:37,280
and that changes the whole perspective

2378
01:07:41,589 --> 01:07:38,400
is this an actual

2379
01:07:43,750 --> 01:07:41,599
crash where we shot it down with radar

2380
01:07:45,670 --> 01:07:43,760
or these aliens came across the galaxy

2381
01:07:47,029 --> 01:07:45,680
and then they got hit by lightning and

2382
01:07:49,029 --> 01:07:47,039
you know we've got all these bizarre

2383
01:07:49,910 --> 01:07:49,039
things that we sort of impose our own

2384
01:07:51,829 --> 01:07:49,920
world view on

2385
01:07:53,109 --> 01:07:51,839
on what's happening and they call it the

2386
01:07:54,549 --> 01:07:53,119
gifting field and that's one of the

2387
01:07:55,750 --> 01:07:54,559
theories that i think is i'm looking

2388
01:07:57,430 --> 01:07:55,760
more at all the time

2389
01:07:59,109 --> 01:07:57,440
is maybe this was all intentional that

2390
01:08:00,710 --> 01:07:59,119
they actually intended to crash

2391
01:08:02,230 --> 01:08:00,720
and this is like an important thing and

2392
01:08:03,750 --> 01:08:02,240
it's the same thing it's a theory wow

2393
01:08:05,510 --> 01:08:03,760
it's trying to get you to go wow

2394
01:08:06,710 --> 01:08:05,520
like this is pretty bizarre and look at

2395
01:08:07,510 --> 01:08:06,720
this paranormal stuff and look at this

2396
01:08:09,670 --> 01:08:07,520
paranormal stuff

2397
01:08:11,109 --> 01:08:09,680
and it just keeps you banging away at

2398
01:08:12,630 --> 01:08:11,119
the physical universe

2399
01:08:14,150 --> 01:08:12,640
in terms of the fact that eventually

2400
01:08:15,349 --> 01:08:14,160
everybody's going to say no there's got

2401
01:08:15,910 --> 01:08:15,359
to be something beyond this physical

2402
01:08:17,829 --> 01:08:15,920
universe

2403
01:08:19,110 --> 01:08:17,839
and it's because we get obsessed with

2404
01:08:19,990 --> 01:08:19,120
this stuff you can't let it go once it

2405
01:08:21,349 --> 01:08:20,000
comes so

2406
01:08:22,789 --> 01:08:21,359
they call it the gifting field and

2407
01:08:24,630 --> 01:08:22,799
that's what i say is the thing with the

2408
01:08:26,149 --> 01:08:24,640
imports or with the crop circles

2409
01:08:27,990 --> 01:08:26,159
it's all this gifting thing they're

2410
01:08:29,590 --> 01:08:28,000
dropping these little clues they're not

2411
01:08:31,430 --> 01:08:29,600
allowed to come in and actually

2412
01:08:33,269 --> 01:08:31,440
do the homework for you but they give

2413
01:08:34,789 --> 01:08:33,279
these little clues these little hints

2414
01:08:35,910 --> 01:08:34,799
and they force you to think about this

2415
01:08:37,349 --> 01:08:35,920
kind of stuff and that's what's

2416
01:08:38,870 --> 01:08:37,359
happening the physical

2417
01:08:40,390 --> 01:08:38,880
we're a biological robot in a

2418
01:08:41,269 --> 01:08:40,400
meaningless universe it's all starting

2419
01:08:42,870 --> 01:08:41,279
to break down

2420
01:08:44,470 --> 01:08:42,880
because there's so many of these bizarre

2421
01:08:46,709 --> 01:08:44,480
stories where people start to say

2422
01:08:47,829 --> 01:08:46,719
i don't think this is physical and you

2423
01:08:49,430 --> 01:08:47,839
talk to jacques ballet

2424
01:08:50,870 --> 01:08:49,440
jacques villa will bang on the table

2425
01:08:51,349 --> 01:08:50,880
when people ask him you bang on the

2426
01:08:53,669 --> 01:08:51,359
table

2427
01:08:55,110 --> 01:08:53,679
this is not solid we believe it's a

2428
01:08:55,349 --> 01:08:55,120
solid world you know we used to believe

2429
01:08:58,709 --> 01:08:55,359
the

2430
01:09:00,070 --> 01:08:58,719
rational analytical mind that believed

2431
01:09:01,510 --> 01:09:00,080
it was flat because you can put a level

2432
01:09:02,709 --> 01:09:01,520
anywhere on the world and it's flat

2433
01:09:03,829 --> 01:09:02,719
and you can measure it and you can tell

2434
01:09:05,110 --> 01:09:03,839
when the sun's going to come up and the

2435
01:09:06,309 --> 01:09:05,120
sun is going around the earth

2436
01:09:08,149 --> 01:09:06,319
because you can predict when it's going

2437
01:09:09,110 --> 01:09:08,159
to rise when it's going to set we make

2438
01:09:11,110 --> 01:09:09,120
all these

2439
01:09:13,269 --> 01:09:11,120
assumptions and what this is doing is

2440
01:09:15,510 --> 01:09:13,279
breaking down all these belief systems

2441
01:09:16,789 --> 01:09:15,520
to say no it's not the world you think

2442
01:09:17,990 --> 01:09:16,799
it is and the more

2443
01:09:19,110 --> 01:09:18,000
that people get especially with

2444
01:09:20,309 --> 01:09:19,120
psychedelics i think it's going to be

2445
01:09:22,390 --> 01:09:20,319
the one that's going to

2446
01:09:23,910 --> 01:09:22,400
absolutely turn the world around because

2447
01:09:24,789 --> 01:09:23,920
there's piles of people getting into

2448
01:09:26,309 --> 01:09:24,799
psychedelics

2449
01:09:28,630 --> 01:09:26,319
and they're starting to realize there's

2450
01:09:29,110 --> 01:09:28,640
these non-local states and you can get

2451
01:09:30,950 --> 01:09:29,120
in them

2452
01:09:32,870 --> 01:09:30,960
and when you get in there people will

2453
01:09:35,829 --> 01:09:32,880
say this is more

2454
01:09:36,950 --> 01:09:35,839
real than the real world which means

2455
01:09:38,630 --> 01:09:36,960
this is the illusion

2456
01:09:40,630 --> 01:09:38,640
no matter what you might want to think

2457
01:09:42,229 --> 01:09:40,640
and you get into even the idea of the

2458
01:09:43,910 --> 01:09:42,239
five methoxy dmt

2459
01:09:45,829 --> 01:09:43,920
where you seem to go back to

2460
01:09:47,669 --> 01:09:45,839
consciousness you're in a light field

2461
01:09:48,950 --> 01:09:47,679
there is no form there are no beings

2462
01:09:51,189 --> 01:09:48,960
there are no

2463
01:09:52,709 --> 01:09:51,199
psychedelic patterns there is just this

2464
01:09:55,590 --> 01:09:52,719
love and this

2465
01:09:56,709 --> 01:09:55,600
sense of supreme oneness or a divine

2466
01:09:57,910 --> 01:09:56,719
being and stuff like that

2467
01:10:00,070 --> 01:09:57,920
and i think that's what's going to

2468
01:10:02,390 --> 01:10:00,080
change it because you now have in canada

2469
01:10:04,149 --> 01:10:02,400
marijuana is legal and you have a lot of

2470
01:10:04,950 --> 01:10:04,159
places where psilocybin is legal now in

2471
01:10:06,229 --> 01:10:04,960
the united states

2472
01:10:08,390 --> 01:10:06,239
i think that's going to change you can

2473
01:10:09,430 --> 01:10:08,400
have more and more people as max planck

2474
01:10:11,270 --> 01:10:09,440
said

2475
01:10:13,590 --> 01:10:11,280
the world does not change by convincing

2476
01:10:14,630 --> 01:10:13,600
other people it advances science and i

2477
01:10:17,750 --> 01:10:14,640
believe ufology

2478
01:10:19,350 --> 01:10:17,760
and paranormal advance one funeral at a

2479
01:10:21,990 --> 01:10:19,360
time

2480
01:10:22,870 --> 01:10:22,000
cheers to all that yes and american

2481
01:10:24,790 --> 01:10:22,880
cosmic

2482
01:10:26,550 --> 01:10:24,800
great book and i agree with you on the

2483
01:10:27,189 --> 01:10:26,560
psychedelics thing too the gifting

2484
01:10:29,030 --> 01:10:27,199
fields that

2485
01:10:31,350 --> 01:10:29,040
is really good context it kind of

2486
01:10:33,669 --> 01:10:31,360
explains why they could just go out

2487
01:10:36,149 --> 01:10:33,679
to this place and find some metal from

2488
01:10:37,590 --> 01:10:36,159
some previous crash so easily i always

2489
01:10:39,590 --> 01:10:37,600
thought that was a little weird

2490
01:10:41,669 --> 01:10:39,600
my thought was maybe it was planted and

2491
01:10:42,390 --> 01:10:41,679
maybe it was planted but not by the

2492
01:10:44,790 --> 01:10:42,400
people who

2493
01:10:46,149 --> 01:10:44,800
took her out maybe it's it is as you say

2494
01:10:48,709 --> 01:10:46,159
the gifting fields

2495
01:10:50,550 --> 01:10:48,719
and the tyler experience i think i think

2496
01:10:51,189 --> 01:10:50,560
it's him who who mentions it in the book

2497
01:10:53,910 --> 01:10:51,199
but

2498
01:10:55,669 --> 01:10:53,920
saying that in his uh office where they

2499
01:10:57,189 --> 01:10:55,679
had him working when they brought him in

2500
01:10:59,669 --> 01:10:57,199
he could feel something

2501
01:11:01,110 --> 01:10:59,679
behind this wall trying to read his

2502
01:11:02,709 --> 01:11:01,120
thoughts or trying to project

2503
01:11:04,310 --> 01:11:02,719
thoughts that was always pretty

2504
01:11:05,590 --> 01:11:04,320
provocative to me but yeah they've got

2505
01:11:06,950 --> 01:11:05,600
it sealed off i'll tell you one last

2506
01:11:09,270 --> 01:11:06,960
story before we end here yes

2507
01:11:10,630 --> 01:11:09,280
yes tyler i'm big into the download

2508
01:11:11,830 --> 01:11:10,640
thing that you can get in the field and

2509
01:11:13,430 --> 01:11:11,840
you can pull the material out of the

2510
01:11:14,390 --> 01:11:13,440
field these were a lot of nobel prizes a

2511
01:11:17,030 --> 01:11:14,400
lot of the inventions

2512
01:11:17,750 --> 01:11:17,040
hologram the laser all these things came

2513
01:11:20,149 --> 01:11:17,760
that way

2514
01:11:22,390 --> 01:11:20,159
and so when i was talking to tyler i met

2515
01:11:24,149 --> 01:11:22,400
him at a cottage in pennsylvania

2516
01:11:25,750 --> 01:11:24,159
and he had this invention he sold his

2517
01:11:27,030 --> 01:11:25,760
company for 100 million bucks he's got

2518
01:11:28,950 --> 01:11:27,040
40 patents

2519
01:11:30,149 --> 01:11:28,960
the main one he had had to do he was

2520
01:11:31,270 --> 01:11:30,159
going to put on the space shuttle and

2521
01:11:32,709 --> 01:11:31,280
they would put it on he got some

2522
01:11:33,910 --> 01:11:32,719
scientists to sign up he said yeah

2523
01:11:35,189 --> 01:11:33,920
putting this thing on the space shuttle

2524
01:11:37,110 --> 01:11:35,199
and he actually got it on there he said

2525
01:11:38,390 --> 01:11:37,120
grant i'll tell you what the last thing

2526
01:11:40,470 --> 01:11:38,400
i remember

2527
01:11:41,669 --> 01:11:40,480
i had the idea in my head in the morning

2528
01:11:43,030 --> 01:11:41,679
the last thing i remember the night

2529
01:11:44,550 --> 01:11:43,040
before was a hooded figure

2530
01:11:46,070 --> 01:11:44,560
standing at the end of the bed now if

2531
01:11:47,830 --> 01:11:46,080
you look at the literature the hooded

2532
01:11:48,950 --> 01:11:47,840
figure is always the wisdom being so i

2533
01:11:51,110 --> 01:11:48,960
said to him because i

2534
01:11:52,550 --> 01:11:51,120
seen these reports i said so could you

2535
01:11:53,270 --> 01:11:52,560
see its face and it goes not going to

2536
01:11:54,709 --> 01:11:53,280
see its face

2537
01:11:55,990 --> 01:11:54,719
and i say oh you should be regressed you

2538
01:11:57,110 --> 01:11:56,000
should go to yvonne smith and you should

2539
01:11:59,110 --> 01:11:57,120
go back to that event

2540
01:12:00,870 --> 01:11:59,120
and see what the being was telling you

2541
01:12:02,310 --> 01:12:00,880
and so he had that being at the end of

2542
01:12:02,790 --> 01:12:02,320
the in the morning he wakes up with this

2543
01:12:04,630 --> 01:12:02,800
idea

2544
01:12:06,229 --> 01:12:04,640
and as you see in american cosmic it

2545
01:12:08,310 --> 01:12:06,239
goes to the pentagon and the one star

2546
01:12:09,750 --> 01:12:08,320
general stands up and says who came up

2547
01:12:12,070 --> 01:12:09,760
with this idea

2548
01:12:12,790 --> 01:12:12,080
and tyler tells a story in american

2549
01:12:15,350 --> 01:12:12,800
cosmic

2550
01:12:17,110 --> 01:12:15,360
that he does the download stuff that he

2551
01:12:19,430 --> 01:12:17,120
says i sleep for eight hours

2552
01:12:20,790 --> 01:12:19,440
i get up then i have you have to go back

2553
01:12:22,709 --> 01:12:20,800
to bed for an hour and i go back

2554
01:12:24,709 --> 01:12:22,719
to bed for an hour and then i get up and

2555
01:12:25,990 --> 01:12:24,719
i get a big glass of water and i go and

2556
01:12:27,669 --> 01:12:26,000
sit in the sun

2557
01:12:29,270 --> 01:12:27,679
and i start to drink the water and they

2558
01:12:31,510 --> 01:12:29,280
start to talk to me so he

2559
01:12:33,030 --> 01:12:31,520
says that he's getting material and he's

2560
01:12:33,990 --> 01:12:33,040
got 40 patents and he believes it's

2561
01:12:35,750 --> 01:12:34,000
coming from them

2562
01:12:37,590 --> 01:12:35,760
same as gary nolan who's the guy who's

2563
01:12:39,750 --> 01:12:37,600
doing the dna stuff forward to this

2564
01:12:41,510 --> 01:12:39,760
he was not with two stars anymore but at

2565
01:12:42,390 --> 01:12:41,520
stanford who's doing the dna stuff with

2566
01:12:44,870 --> 01:12:42,400
kit green

2567
01:12:46,630 --> 01:12:44,880
and he says i don't know how it works

2568
01:12:48,550 --> 01:12:46,640
but i know how to make it work and he

2569
01:12:49,270 --> 01:12:48,560
uses the same principle that a lot of

2570
01:12:50,630 --> 01:12:49,280
people use

2571
01:12:53,030 --> 01:12:50,640
he says i work through all the problems

2572
01:12:55,030 --> 01:12:53,040
i try to figure out analyze the problems

2573
01:12:57,350 --> 01:12:55,040
and then i write down what the problem i

2574
01:12:58,950 --> 01:12:57,360
need solved i put it beside the bed

2575
01:13:00,470 --> 01:12:58,960
and i wake up in the morning and the

2576
01:13:02,550 --> 01:13:00,480
idea is in my head

2577
01:13:04,390 --> 01:13:02,560
so they do know they do know this idea

2578
01:13:05,990 --> 01:13:04,400
of inspiration and these guys are

2579
01:13:07,510 --> 01:13:06,000
working but the problem is it's all

2580
01:13:09,110 --> 01:13:07,520
secret so it really doesn't help anybody

2581
01:13:09,669 --> 01:13:09,120
it's like the bible says what profiteth

2582
01:13:11,510 --> 01:13:09,679
a man

2583
01:13:13,270 --> 01:13:11,520
if he gains the whole world and loses

2584
01:13:14,870 --> 01:13:13,280
his own soul so i let

2585
01:13:16,950 --> 01:13:14,880
everything go i don't really cover up

2586
01:13:18,709 --> 01:13:16,960
anything i doesn't help if i figure it

2587
01:13:20,709 --> 01:13:18,719
out and i don't tell you or anybody else

2588
01:13:22,550 --> 01:13:20,719
the idea is to figure it out and spread

2589
01:13:23,910 --> 01:13:22,560
it as widely as you can to raise the

2590
01:13:27,189 --> 01:13:23,920
consciousness of the earth

2591
01:13:29,910 --> 01:13:27,199
before we blow the place up

2592
01:13:31,910 --> 01:13:29,920
right on cheers to that man you are one

2593
01:13:33,910 --> 01:13:31,920
of the greats and i appreciate that last

2594
01:13:35,270 --> 01:13:33,920
story it has been a real treat to talk

2595
01:13:35,830 --> 01:13:35,280
to you today i'm sure people are gonna

2596
01:13:37,590 --> 01:13:35,840
love it

2597
01:13:39,350 --> 01:13:37,600
remind them where to get your books your

2598
01:13:41,510 --> 01:13:39,360
website your youtube and

2599
01:13:44,310 --> 01:13:41,520
anything else you're gonna be coming out

2600
01:13:46,470 --> 01:13:44,320
with next wherever the research is going

2601
01:13:48,310 --> 01:13:46,480
my main two places you can get me i have

2602
01:13:49,350 --> 01:13:48,320
white house ufo my youtube channel i've

2603
01:13:50,630 --> 01:13:49,360
got about 500

2604
01:13:52,950 --> 01:13:50,640
interviews and type stuff i've done

2605
01:13:55,189 --> 01:13:52,960
there and presidential ufo is my

2606
01:13:56,790 --> 01:13:55,199
facebook site where i publish

2607
01:13:58,550 --> 01:13:56,800
sort of the stuff happens from day to

2608
01:13:59,590 --> 01:13:58,560
day the bizarre stories and downloads

2609
01:14:01,350 --> 01:13:59,600
and stuff like that so

2610
01:14:03,590 --> 01:14:01,360
those would be the two presidential ufo

2611
01:14:04,470 --> 01:14:03,600
facebook and the white house ufo youtube

2612
01:14:06,229 --> 01:14:04,480
channel

2613
01:14:07,910 --> 01:14:06,239
right on well you are the man you know a

2614
01:14:08,310 --> 01:14:07,920
lot about a lot and i appreciate your

2615
01:14:10,310 --> 01:14:08,320
time

2616
01:14:13,030 --> 01:14:10,320
take care out there beautiful thank you

2617
01:14:16,470 --> 01:14:15,510
how about that all you cool cats and

2618
01:14:18,870 --> 01:14:16,480
kittens

2619
01:14:20,950 --> 01:14:18,880
i consider that a great way to round out

2620
01:14:23,590 --> 01:14:20,960
the offerings for september

2621
01:14:25,590 --> 01:14:23,600
grant is the best probably my favorite

2622
01:14:28,229 --> 01:14:25,600
figure in the ufology field that i

2623
01:14:30,470 --> 01:14:28,239
hadn't interviewed yet over the years so

2624
01:14:31,830 --> 01:14:30,480
i'm very glad we could add him to the

2625
01:14:33,750 --> 01:14:31,840
archive

2626
01:14:36,310 --> 01:14:33,760
i think he's wise to focus on the

2627
01:14:38,550 --> 01:14:36,320
consciousness aspect of the technology

2628
01:14:41,110 --> 01:14:38,560
and the beans communications

2629
01:14:41,990 --> 01:14:41,120
and really the point he made in the past

2630
01:14:43,910 --> 01:14:42,000
that when you

2631
01:14:46,229 --> 01:14:43,920
plotted on the timeline it's interesting

2632
01:14:48,790 --> 01:14:46,239
that the mk ultra mine cracking programs

2633
01:14:49,270 --> 01:14:48,800
all seem to get legs right after the ufo

2634
01:14:51,590 --> 01:14:49,280
spike

2635
01:14:53,030 --> 01:14:51,600
and the stories of the recovered crafts

2636
01:14:55,189 --> 01:14:53,040
and the bodies

2637
01:14:57,350 --> 01:14:55,199
yes the end of world war ii and project

2638
01:14:59,750 --> 01:14:57,360
paperclip are also in that mix

2639
01:15:01,270 --> 01:14:59,760
so that adds a big question mark in

2640
01:15:02,709 --> 01:15:01,280
there if you think the germans had

2641
01:15:05,590 --> 01:15:02,719
unlocked that

2642
01:15:06,390 --> 01:15:05,600
technology at that time or maybe it was

2643
01:15:09,510 --> 01:15:06,400
given to them

2644
01:15:10,149 --> 01:15:09,520
who knows but i do love grant's work and

2645
01:15:13,270 --> 01:15:10,159
he has

2646
01:15:15,750 --> 01:15:13,280
such impressive recall for

2647
01:15:17,510 --> 01:15:15,760
many threads of ufology history and all

2648
01:15:18,950 --> 01:15:17,520
the players involved

2649
01:15:20,790 --> 01:15:18,960
we talked about this more in the second

2650
01:15:22,149 --> 01:15:20,800
hour but i would say though that

2651
01:15:24,070 --> 01:15:22,159
when you conclude that it's all

2652
01:15:25,350 --> 01:15:24,080
consciousness and separation is an

2653
01:15:27,910 --> 01:15:25,360
illusion

2654
01:15:29,830 --> 01:15:27,920
it's something i do agree is true but

2655
01:15:31,510 --> 01:15:29,840
once you've come to grips with that as

2656
01:15:33,270 --> 01:15:31,520
the big picture

2657
01:15:35,189 --> 01:15:33,280
we kind of have to return to speaking

2658
01:15:36,310 --> 01:15:35,199
about the world from our vantage point

2659
01:15:39,110 --> 01:15:36,320
in order to really

2660
01:15:39,830 --> 01:15:39,120
talk about it if we're just here for a

2661
01:15:42,390 --> 01:15:39,840
range

2662
01:15:44,550 --> 01:15:42,400
of experiences then sure with infinite

2663
01:15:46,229 --> 01:15:44,560
options we might choose to manifest for

2664
01:15:48,950 --> 01:15:46,239
a very painful life

2665
01:15:49,990 --> 01:15:48,960
it's going to feel very very real in

2666
01:15:51,669 --> 01:15:50,000
some instances

2667
01:15:54,390 --> 01:15:51,679
but if we all just float back up to the

2668
01:15:56,149 --> 01:15:54,400
big spirit soup why not

2669
01:15:58,550 --> 01:15:56,159
we've heard this before that the big

2670
01:16:00,310 --> 01:15:58,560
material world is just a sandbox of

2671
01:16:01,270 --> 01:16:00,320
sorts but if we want to talk about the

2672
01:16:04,470 --> 01:16:01,280
things going on

2673
01:16:05,270 --> 01:16:04,480
in that sandbox we got to at least think

2674
01:16:07,510 --> 01:16:05,280
of it as

2675
01:16:09,270 --> 01:16:07,520
real so we can better assess the actions

2676
01:16:12,229 --> 01:16:09,280
of these beings or

2677
01:16:13,350 --> 01:16:12,239
our leaders or really anything that is

2678
01:16:16,630 --> 01:16:13,360
interacting with us

2679
01:16:18,950 --> 01:16:16,640
and where it all falls on the moral

2680
01:16:21,990 --> 01:16:18,960
spectrum quote-unquote which might be as

2681
01:16:22,870 --> 01:16:22,000
illusionary as matter itself but it is

2682
01:16:25,270 --> 01:16:22,880
still

2683
01:16:28,470 --> 01:16:25,280
a way in which we measure things from

2684
01:16:30,790 --> 01:16:28,480
this human material plane vantage point

2685
01:16:31,590 --> 01:16:30,800
everything in this dimension is made to

2686
01:16:33,910 --> 01:16:31,600
feel real

2687
01:16:35,030 --> 01:16:33,920
which makes it hard to assess that moral

2688
01:16:37,990 --> 01:16:35,040
spectrum

2689
01:16:39,750 --> 01:16:38,000
as a foundation for reality or not but

2690
01:16:41,510 --> 01:16:39,760
it seems to be a type of rule that

2691
01:16:44,310 --> 01:16:41,520
affects our future

2692
01:16:46,310 --> 01:16:44,320
incarnations so in that sense it has

2693
01:16:47,590 --> 01:16:46,320
consequences even if it is all just a

2694
01:16:49,669 --> 01:16:47,600
game

2695
01:16:52,070 --> 01:16:49,679
this is what they say but i also want

2696
01:16:53,189 --> 01:16:52,080
morality and karma and our actions to

2697
01:16:55,350 --> 01:16:53,199
matter

2698
01:16:57,990 --> 01:16:55,360
because otherwise we excuse a lot of

2699
01:17:01,110 --> 01:16:58,000
very sick and twisted behavior as

2700
01:17:02,070 --> 01:17:01,120
just an experience and i absolutely

2701
01:17:04,149 --> 01:17:02,080
understand every

2702
01:17:06,070 --> 01:17:04,159
story needs a villain and that's just

2703
01:17:08,550 --> 01:17:06,080
another role to play

2704
01:17:10,149 --> 01:17:08,560
conflict and difficulty and suffering

2705
01:17:12,149 --> 01:17:10,159
are parts of the game

2706
01:17:13,270 --> 01:17:12,159
and the sour makes the sweet that much

2707
01:17:16,310 --> 01:17:13,280
sweeter

2708
01:17:16,630 --> 01:17:16,320
but the heroes the protagonists they're

2709
01:17:19,430 --> 01:17:16,640
not

2710
01:17:22,229 --> 01:17:19,440
called to action if they aren't outraged

2711
01:17:24,470 --> 01:17:22,239
by the actions of that villain

2712
01:17:26,709 --> 01:17:24,480
cameron poe doesn't just watch cyrus the

2713
01:17:28,550 --> 01:17:26,719
virus and diamond dog take the plane and

2714
01:17:32,709 --> 01:17:28,560
sit back and say well

2715
01:17:35,030 --> 01:17:32,719
it's all just experience what's the harm

2716
01:17:35,910 --> 01:17:35,040
so i do think grand is right i've seen

2717
01:17:37,830 --> 01:17:35,920
the light

2718
01:17:39,669 --> 01:17:37,840
but it's just hard to talk about things

2719
01:17:41,270 --> 01:17:39,679
from that perspective

2720
01:17:42,790 --> 01:17:41,280
and i want to know what these guys are

2721
01:17:44,310 --> 01:17:42,800
up to

2722
01:17:47,590 --> 01:17:44,320
it was really interesting to hear him

2723
01:17:48,470 --> 01:17:47,600
talk about not only the meta materials

2724
01:17:52,310 --> 01:17:48,480
but also

2725
01:17:54,229 --> 01:17:52,320
the bodies as some form of alien apports

2726
01:17:55,669 --> 01:17:54,239
that connects ufology right to the

2727
01:17:58,470 --> 01:17:55,679
occult and that's a theme that

2728
01:18:00,550 --> 01:17:58,480
has a lot of merit to me interesting

2729
01:18:02,950 --> 01:18:00,560
take that the bodies themselves could be

2730
01:18:06,310 --> 01:18:02,960
a ports opposed to just the medals

2731
01:18:09,110 --> 01:18:06,320
and if we ever recovered one alive then

2732
01:18:10,310 --> 01:18:09,120
even more so like how does that work but

2733
01:18:12,630 --> 01:18:10,320
either way

2734
01:18:13,910 --> 01:18:12,640
big thanks to grant for his time if you

2735
01:18:17,270 --> 01:18:13,920
heard it and you liked it

2736
01:18:19,189 --> 01:18:17,280
let him know also check out his website

2737
01:18:21,750 --> 01:18:19,199
and his youtube channel where

2738
01:18:23,669 --> 01:18:21,760
most of the action is these days in

2739
01:18:26,229 --> 01:18:23,679
terms of today's show the first hour was

2740
01:18:27,910 --> 01:18:26,239
pretty jam-packed and so was the second

2741
01:18:29,110 --> 01:18:27,920
we talked more and more about that

2742
01:18:31,510 --> 01:18:29,120
consciousness thing

2743
01:18:33,830 --> 01:18:31,520
and i pushed back a little bit more than

2744
01:18:35,830 --> 01:18:33,840
usual but it still went well

2745
01:18:36,950 --> 01:18:35,840
without the points he made were very

2746
01:18:39,350 --> 01:18:36,960
insightful

2747
01:18:41,030 --> 01:18:39,360
we also got into what do these beans

2748
01:18:44,310 --> 01:18:41,040
want are they really all

2749
01:18:45,910 --> 01:18:44,320
living in oneness quote unquote and what

2750
01:18:48,070 --> 01:18:45,920
about the invisible college

2751
01:18:49,510 --> 01:18:48,080
seems like there's some stuff to know

2752
01:18:50,790 --> 01:18:49,520
about portals that they've been

2753
01:18:53,030 --> 01:18:50,800
researching

2754
01:18:53,990 --> 01:18:53,040
we talked about mission rama mount

2755
01:18:56,870 --> 01:18:54,000
shasta and

2756
01:18:59,270 --> 01:18:56,880
zendras we talked about my labs

2757
01:19:02,709 --> 01:18:59,280
abductions and military budgets

2758
01:19:06,310 --> 01:19:02,719
and of course occult experience spirits

2759
01:19:08,149 --> 01:19:06,320
and polarity let's say

2760
01:19:09,590 --> 01:19:08,159
the portal stuff was fascinating and i

2761
01:19:12,950 --> 01:19:09,600
think i got some leads on

2762
01:19:15,030 --> 01:19:12,960
other people to possibly interview after

2763
01:19:16,229 --> 01:19:15,040
some of those names he mentioned if

2764
01:19:19,510 --> 01:19:16,239
you're only here in the first

2765
01:19:21,270 --> 01:19:19,520
hour of thc i know i make it sound very

2766
01:19:21,990 --> 01:19:21,280
complete but there's always a whole

2767
01:19:23,669 --> 01:19:22,000
second hour

2768
01:19:25,030 --> 01:19:23,679
of these interviews and i would love for

2769
01:19:27,350 --> 01:19:25,040
you to hear it

2770
01:19:28,470 --> 01:19:27,360
so help me help you and get a plus

2771
01:19:30,830 --> 01:19:28,480
membership

2772
01:19:32,630 --> 01:19:30,840
you can do it right on my website at the

2773
01:19:34,550 --> 01:19:32,640
highersidechats.com or you could do it

2774
01:19:37,189 --> 01:19:34,560
through patreon it's eight bucks a month

2775
01:19:38,550 --> 01:19:37,199
five full two hour shows and a monthly

2776
01:19:40,709 --> 01:19:38,560
joint session episode

2777
01:19:42,630 --> 01:19:40,719
that's just me talking about the forum

2778
01:19:45,750 --> 01:19:42,640
posts and the questions posed

2779
01:19:47,270 --> 01:19:45,760
by the inner circle of members i saw

2780
01:19:48,149 --> 01:19:47,280
some comments on the michael juan

2781
01:19:50,310 --> 01:19:48,159
episode

2782
01:19:52,310 --> 01:19:50,320
from people who loved it and didn't know

2783
01:19:54,470 --> 01:19:52,320
there was a second hour so

2784
01:19:56,470 --> 01:19:54,480
as much as i talk about it and as hard

2785
01:19:58,149 --> 01:19:56,480
as that is for me to believe

2786
01:20:00,390 --> 01:19:58,159
it made me think that maybe i'm lazy

2787
01:20:03,430 --> 01:20:00,400
with my plus pitch and i don't really

2788
01:20:05,189 --> 01:20:03,440
spell it out every time so

2789
01:20:06,709 --> 01:20:05,199
just consider it you don't have to have

2790
01:20:08,629 --> 01:20:06,719
a subscription forever

2791
01:20:11,350 --> 01:20:08,639
just to get in there and see what you're

2792
01:20:13,189 --> 01:20:11,360
missing and toss me a few bones

2793
01:20:15,590 --> 01:20:13,199
in other news as i mentioned in the

2794
01:20:17,830 --> 01:20:15,600
joint session show sally fallon morel's

2795
01:20:19,110 --> 01:20:17,840
new book the contagion myth written with

2796
01:20:21,590 --> 01:20:19,120
dr tom cowan

2797
01:20:24,310 --> 01:20:21,600
has been banned on amazon two days

2798
01:20:26,709 --> 01:20:24,320
before it was supposed to release

2799
01:20:27,830 --> 01:20:26,719
they had thousands of pre-orders and it

2800
01:20:29,910 --> 01:20:27,840
was number one

2801
01:20:31,910 --> 01:20:29,920
in its category which was shocking to me

2802
01:20:33,270 --> 01:20:31,920
considering how outside the box this

2803
01:20:35,910 --> 01:20:33,280
material is

2804
01:20:36,550 --> 01:20:35,920
but it's banned when if they want to

2805
01:20:38,870 --> 01:20:36,560
worry about

2806
01:20:41,110 --> 01:20:38,880
people being deceived start with the

2807
01:20:43,189 --> 01:20:41,120
rampant issue of fake reviews

2808
01:20:45,510 --> 01:20:43,199
and bribes and this that and the other

2809
01:20:47,189 --> 01:20:45,520
that's made the amazon rating system

2810
01:20:49,270 --> 01:20:47,199
almost useless without using a

2811
01:20:49,590 --> 01:20:49,280
third-party website that rates products

2812
01:20:51,910 --> 01:20:49,600
for

2813
01:20:52,950 --> 01:20:51,920
authenticity they don't seem to care

2814
01:20:54,629 --> 01:20:52,960
about that

2815
01:20:56,550 --> 01:20:54,639
but they don't want you to read the

2816
01:20:58,310 --> 01:20:56,560
wrong book

2817
01:21:00,870 --> 01:20:58,320
and i also said this already too but

2818
01:21:03,430 --> 01:21:00,880
very few companies have profited off of

2819
01:21:05,910 --> 01:21:03,440
covid as much as amazon has

2820
01:21:07,510 --> 01:21:05,920
how funny this is the kind of book they

2821
01:21:09,350 --> 01:21:07,520
target right

2822
01:21:10,870 --> 01:21:09,360
but either way gordon white and i will

2823
01:21:13,110 --> 01:21:10,880
be doing a live zoom

2824
01:21:13,990 --> 01:21:13,120
hangout with sally about the book plus

2825
01:21:16,470 --> 01:21:14,000
members will be able

2826
01:21:18,629 --> 01:21:16,480
to join us live and even ask sally a few

2827
01:21:21,750 --> 01:21:18,639
questions of their own towards the end

2828
01:21:23,510 --> 01:21:21,760
it is a pretty special event it's my way

2829
01:21:26,790 --> 01:21:23,520
of saying thank you for

2830
01:21:27,270 --> 01:21:26,800
reciprocating with me october 6th at 6

2831
01:21:29,189 --> 01:21:27,280
pm

2832
01:21:31,350 --> 01:21:29,199
i'll be emailing everyone the link

2833
01:21:34,070 --> 01:21:31,360
before the event a couple days before

2834
01:21:36,550 --> 01:21:34,080
so keep an eye on your inbox or join

2835
01:21:39,030 --> 01:21:36,560
plus quickly if you haven't already

2836
01:21:41,110 --> 01:21:39,040
i should also mention that i was back on

2837
01:21:43,510 --> 01:21:41,120
the conspiracy farm podcast

2838
01:21:45,910 --> 01:21:43,520
this past week i do love talking with

2839
01:21:47,910 --> 01:21:45,920
those guys they are a lot of fun

2840
01:21:49,669 --> 01:21:47,920
check that out if you like hearing me on

2841
01:21:52,229 --> 01:21:49,679
the other side of the mic

2842
01:21:54,310 --> 01:21:52,239
which a decent amount of people seem to

2843
01:21:55,110 --> 01:21:54,320
enjoy which always surprises me really

2844
01:21:57,350 --> 01:21:55,120
because i

2845
01:21:59,430 --> 01:21:57,360
feel so behind compared to the guests we

2846
01:22:01,270 --> 01:21:59,440
have and i'm just a regular guy

2847
01:22:03,430 --> 01:22:01,280
but i'm way more comfortable doing it

2848
01:22:05,350 --> 01:22:03,440
than i used to be and it's really just

2849
01:22:08,629 --> 01:22:05,360
the best and only way

2850
01:22:10,790 --> 01:22:08,639
to further the reach of thc

2851
01:22:12,950 --> 01:22:10,800
we're doing great but when i was on

2852
01:22:14,709 --> 01:22:12,960
chris jericho's show in particular or

2853
01:22:17,189 --> 01:22:14,719
even a couple of others i've done like

2854
01:22:19,110 --> 01:22:17,199
rue jude on siriusxm

2855
01:22:20,870 --> 01:22:19,120
there was a noticeable bump in new

2856
01:22:23,669 --> 01:22:20,880
people checking out the show

2857
01:22:25,189 --> 01:22:23,679
and i am super confident that if people

2858
01:22:28,229 --> 01:22:25,199
who like this kind of thing

2859
01:22:29,350 --> 01:22:28,239
just find us then they will definitely

2860
01:22:31,669 --> 01:22:29,360
be into it

2861
01:22:34,550 --> 01:22:31,679
so i need to do more of that i need to

2862
01:22:36,149 --> 01:22:34,560
make the rounds as much as i can

2863
01:22:38,470 --> 01:22:36,159
if you listen to other shows that you

2864
01:22:40,790 --> 01:22:38,480
want me to get on then let them know

2865
01:22:41,750 --> 01:22:40,800
that is how jericho even happened he

2866
01:22:43,830 --> 01:22:41,760
asked who

2867
01:22:45,110 --> 01:22:43,840
he should be getting on to talk weird

2868
01:22:47,510 --> 01:22:45,120
paranormal stuff

2869
01:22:48,870 --> 01:22:47,520
and enough people said me that he shot

2870
01:22:50,550 --> 01:22:48,880
me an email

2871
01:22:52,790 --> 01:22:50,560
and that was a hell of a life experience

2872
01:22:53,669 --> 01:22:52,800
so put the word out if you'd want to

2873
01:22:55,910 --> 01:22:53,679
help me because

2874
01:22:56,870 --> 01:22:55,920
i want to close out the end of this year

2875
01:22:59,270 --> 01:22:56,880
with a bang

2876
01:23:01,750 --> 01:22:59,280
i want to do these guest spots when our

2877
01:23:05,030 --> 01:23:01,760
recent shows are as solid as ever

2878
01:23:07,189 --> 01:23:05,040
and i think that's right now anyway

2879
01:23:09,510 --> 01:23:07,199
very happy with today's episode and the

2880
01:23:11,830 --> 01:23:09,520
episodes of september michael juan

2881
01:23:13,030 --> 01:23:11,840
phoenix aurelius whitney webb sylvie

2882
01:23:15,590 --> 01:23:13,040
ivanova

2883
01:23:17,189 --> 01:23:15,600
we were not messing around but i guess

2884
01:23:18,390 --> 01:23:17,199
we'll call this meeting of the midnight

2885
01:23:20,229 --> 01:23:18,400
society closed

2886
01:23:22,310 --> 01:23:20,239
very psyched for the upcoming interviews

2887
01:23:24,470 --> 01:23:22,320
i'm working on but that is for

2888
01:23:26,390 --> 01:23:24,480
another day much love take care of you

2889
01:23:28,870 --> 01:23:26,400
and yours and big thanks to grant

2890
01:23:31,270 --> 01:23:28,880
cameron it was a serious pleasure

2891
01:23:33,590 --> 01:23:31,280
i've done my part your move alien

2892
01:23:33,990 --> 01:23:33,600
reporters disclosure deceivers and inner

2893
01:23:41,270 --> 01:23:34,000
circle

2894
01:23:48,510 --> 01:23:44,709
woke up this morning with

2895
01:23:51,830 --> 01:23:48,520
light in my eyes and then

2896
01:23:55,669 --> 01:23:51,840
realized it was dark

2897
01:24:02,390 --> 01:23:59,110
it was light coming

2898
01:24:05,510 --> 01:24:02,400
down from the sky

2899
01:24:10,229 --> 01:24:05,520
i don't know who or

2900
01:24:17,189 --> 01:24:13,510
must be those strangers that

2901
01:24:20,229 --> 01:24:17,199
come every night whose

2902
01:24:24,470 --> 01:24:20,239
sausage shaped light put

2903
01:24:27,990 --> 01:24:24,480
people up tight

2904
01:24:32,550 --> 01:24:28,000
leave blue green footprints that

2905
01:24:38,390 --> 01:24:32,560
glow in the dark i hope

2906
01:24:48,790 --> 01:24:44,790
hey mr spaceman

2907
01:24:52,790 --> 01:24:48,800
won't you please take me along

2908
01:24:59,270 --> 01:24:52,800
i won't do anything wrong

2909
01:25:05,210 --> 01:24:59,280
hey mr spaceman

2910
01:25:12,550 --> 01:25:08,629
[Music]

2911
01:25:17,669 --> 01:25:12,560
this morning

2912
01:25:26,310 --> 01:25:17,679
quite weird i had flies in my beard

2913
01:25:29,350 --> 01:25:26,320
my toothpaste

2914
01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:29,360
my name said

2915
01:25:38,870 --> 01:25:34,290
so long we'll see you up again

2916
01:25:42,550 --> 01:25:38,880
[Music]

2917
01:25:50,550 --> 01:25:46,629
won't you please take me alone

2918
01:25:55,310 --> 01:25:50,560
i won't do anything wrong

2919
01:25:57,030 --> 01:25:55,320
hey mr spaceman

2920
01:26:08,350 --> 01:25:57,040
[Music]

2921
01:26:11,350 --> 01:26:08,360
won't you please take me

2922
01:26:15,430 --> 01:26:11,360
spaceman

2923
01:26:20,830 --> 01:26:15,440
won't you please take me along

2924
01:26:24,010 --> 01:26:20,840
i won't do anything wrong

2925
01:26:33,110 --> 01:26:24,600
[Applause]

2926
01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:36,360
won't you please